Why no added glut in the formula?
Glutamine is worthless bro.
ahh, I guess thats why!
also demotes vascularity.
I wouldn't say it's worthless, just not too usefull for the application of Chaos.Originally Posted by jmh80
I think glutamine in a product for recovery is legit: IE, excell or xtend. But a pre-workout enhancer/energizer, it would just be extra.
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it also doesnt work well with arginine for NO2.
i am pretty sure it is in xtend/excell to weight down the bcaas and help them dissolve better bc the dosing is too low to really be effective, even if it does workOriginally Posted by RenegadeRows
Nope - I'm pretty sure it's worthless if you are eating enough protein.
Actually JMH was correct when saying it is worthless when taken in free form powder. There are a vast amount of studies showing that free glutamine supplementation does not correlate to any statistically significant increases in plasma glutamine, which is really the only thing that matters. It is broken down very easily and mainly excreted.Originally Posted by Mass_69
Ornathine Alpha-Ketogluterate actually raises plasma glutamine levels higher than glutamine supplementation itself.
Technically, I never said free-form glutamine...Originally Posted by LakeMountD
LMD, why does Excell include L-Glutamine in its formula?
Free form glutamine just means it's taken by itself. Bound glutamine is glutamine found in foods.Originally Posted by Mass_69
The "L" on L glutamine has to do with the stereochemistry of a chiral carbon when compared to glyceraldehyde. The other form as you might have seen is D. D just means that you invert the bonds and so the D and L forms are mirror images of each other.
I understand that glutamine taken by itself is free-form. And I agree there's not a lot of benefit to taking FF Glutamine alone, unless you have a catabolic stress disorder or severe digestive problems (in which you're usually given something else to treat those).Originally Posted by LakeMountD
That didn't really answer my question about Excell.Originally Posted by LakeMountD
Overall, my point was that glutamine is not "worthless." Maybe l-glutamine by itself/free-form, but what about the peptide/protein bonded glutamine, and the different esters (n-acetyl-glutamine, alanyl-glutamine, glutamine-ethyl-ester)? No one ever actually said free-form glutamine.
EXCELL was brought out before Lake Mount D was with Anabolic Innovations. It was my decision to put the glutamine in there. I like it
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There isn't any solid research on any of the others. That is the main problem. The cost:benefit ratio of regular l-glutamine those is extremely high so there just really isn't a point of it and I am not saying supps like NAG and others don't work, but until there is some solid research on it, we want to keep things the way they are, that is all .Originally Posted by Mass_69
Always impressed by you LakeMountD
I understand your point, and I'm not saying to put glutamine in CHAOS. I just hijacked the thread and was talking about glutamine in general... BTW, I have seen studies on alanyl-glutamine increasing muscle glutamine concentration (but not serum concentration) taken post-exercise, but that was in ratsOriginally Posted by LakeMountD
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