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    Cycle Support Writeup (Full)


    Anabolic Innovation’s Cycle Support Writeup


    It has been long known that anabolic steroids and, in more cases, oral AAS has a profound effect on general health. This often time takes a toll on your body cycle after cycle if it is not taken care of. Anabolic Innovations set out to solve this problem, but in a way that everyone could not only afford but could also appreciate, with effective dosages and a give-it-all-you-got mentality. With the onset of new designer steroids such as Superdrol and Halodrol, people are having larger and larger problems to deal with that range from a decreasing lipid profile to heightened blood pressure. Although these new drugs are great, they often take such a toll on your body that they must be severely limited in use until certain bodily profiles are improved. Often sifting through the forums proves tedious in that supplement after supplement must be bought in order to improve these various profiles, often costing you as much as $80 to recover fully from a cycle that only cost you $80 in the first place. The ingredients in Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support have been carefully reviewed and backed up by countless studies (which will be added to the bottom of this writeup). Instead of putting in only basic ingredients we have taken it to the next level and gone above and beyond what is added by most supplement companies offering only minor protection/support and put in large doses and special ingredients that other companies don’t offer. The best part about Anabolic Innovation’s Cycle Support? It will cost you as little as $1 per day with effective dosages


    Lets take a look at what is contained in 2 scoops of Cycle Support (60 servings per bag):


    Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000 mg
    NAC 1200 mg
    Hawthorn Berry 1000 mg
    Saw Palmetto 300 mg
    Policosonol 20 mg
    Celery Seed Extract 150 mg
    Nettle Root 250 mg
    Idebenone 100 mg
    Beta Sitosterol 150 mg



    Compare this to:


    Bulk Nutrition's Pro Liver: 14.99
    Amount Per Serving
    N-Acetyl-Cysteine 1000 mg
    Milk Thistle 600 mg

    PrimaForce Liver Pro: 17.99
    Amount Per Serving
    N-Acetyl-Cysteine 1000 mg
    Milk Thistle 600 mg


    Now lets see how much it would cost you to run a good support cycle if you bought all the ingredients separately:

    (NOW Food's Products/prices from Bulk Nutrition)
    NAC: $10
    Saw Palmetto (Prostate Support): $13
    Hawthorn Berry: $4.99
    Silymarin: $12.95

    Niacin FF: $6.99
    Policosonol: $10.99
    Celery Seed: $12.50 (price from NutraPlanet)
    Nettle Root: $8.99
    Idebenone: $29.95 (price from www.smart-drugs.com for 30 day supply of same dosage we offer/Not sold by NutraPlanet/Bulk Nutrition only sells 25g for $32.50!!!!)
    Beta Sitosterol: $11.98 MSRP (Not sold by either Bulk Nutrition or NutraPlanet)


    The total damage if you were to buy them separate?


    $82.39, and that is without including idebenone, an integral part of the formula! Add that in and you will pay over $112.00!!!


    Now that you have seen what is included, let’s take a closer look at the ingredients and what they do:


    Milk Thistle Extract (standardized 80% Silymarin)

    Milk thistle nutritionally supports the liver's ability to maintain normal liver function. It has shown positive effects in treating nearly every known form of liver disease, including cirrhosis, hepatitis, necroses, and liver damage due to drug and alcohol abuse. Milk thistle works due to its ability to inhibit the factors responsible for liver damage, coupled with the fact it stimulates production of new liver cells to replace old damaged ones.
    Milk thistle has been proven to protect the liver from damage. The detrimental effects of environmental toxins, alcohol, drugs and chemotherapy may be countered with this valuable herb. The active chemical component in the herb is silybin, which functions as an antioxidant and is one of the most potent liver protective agents known. Clinical trials have proven silybin to be effective in treating chronic liver diseases and in protecting the liver from toxic chemicals. An injection of silybin is a proven antidote for poisoning with the Deathcap mushroom (Amanita phalloides).
    Silybin is a part of the chemical structure of the flavoligan silymarine. Milk thistle's hepatoprotective effects may be explained by its function of altering the liver cell membrane structure, blocking the absorption of toxins into the cells. Hepatoprotection by silymarin can also be attributed to its ability to increase the intracellular concentration of glutathione, a substance required for detoxicating reactions in liver cells. Milk thistle is also an antioxidant that is more potent than vitamins C and E. 1
    One animal study found that silymarin (an active compound in milk thistle) worked as effectively as the cholesterol-lowering drug probucol, with the additional benefit of substantially increasing HDL ("good") cholesterol. Further studies in people are needed. 2

    NAC


    Produced by the body, N-acetylcysteine (commonly called NAC) is a form of the amino acid cysteine. Because it enhances the production of the enzyme glutathione, one of the body's powerhouse antioxidants, NAC can both stave off disease and play an important role in boosting the immune system. Studies have shown that glutathione levels are often reduced in people with certain conditions related to the immune system.
    For more than three decades, NAC has been used as a mucolytic ("mucus dissolving") agent to help break up the thick mucus often present in people suffering from chronic respiratory ailments. When administered intravenously, NAC has also proved invaluable in the treatment of acetaminophen overdose; it appears to protect the liver from this potentially toxic substance. Now widely available in supplement form, NAC is currently being recommended for preventing and treating a wide variety of ailments that may respond to its antioxidant properties. 3

    Hawthorn Berry Extract (2% cratagic acid, 5% flavonoid glycosides)


    Hawthorne Berries have been used since the 19th century to support the heart, and to normalize cardiovascular functions. Today, Hawthorne Berries are one of the most popular herbs used in Europe, and gaining wider acceptance in the United States. Primary chemical constituents of this herb include Vitamin C, flavonoids (quercetin, quercetrin), glycosides, proanthocyanidins, anthocynaidins, saponins, tannins, and cratetegin (most prevalent in the flowers, then leaves, then berries). Hawthorne Berries appear to work best when taken as a preventative herb, possibly helping reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. With its high content of bioflavonoids, Hawthorne Berries best support the heart. Hawthorne increases the body's ability to utilize oxygen, and the heart's ability to utilize calcium. This herb can actually help regulate both high and low blood pressure, in addition to slowly breaking down cholesterol and fat deposits in the body. The bioflavonoids help strengthen the contractive force of the heart, and gently dilate & relax the coronary blood vessels, improving overall circulation. For this reason, Hawthorne Berries have been used to lower high blood pressure & high cholesterol, as well as increase low blood pressure. When used to support weight loss programs, Hawthorne Berries help reduce water retention by expelling excess salt from the body. This botanical has also been known to reduce nervous tension, alleviate insomnia and aid digestion. Hawthorne can also be used to strengthen joint lining, collagen and spinal discs. 4

    Policosonol

    Heart attack and stroke have been associated with high levels of a type of cholesterol known as low-density lipoprotein (LDL) (“bad” cholesterol) and low levels of high-density lipoprotein (HDL) (“good” cholesterol). Reversing these trends can lower the risk for these and other artery-related diseases.
    Policosanol is a dietary supplement that can normalize cholesterol as well or better than drugs, without side effects. Efficacy and safety have been proven in numerous clinical trials, and it has been used by millions of people in other countries. Policosanol lowers LDL-cholesterol and raises protective HDL-cholesterol. This compares favorably with cholesterol-lowering drugs which have the drawback of side effects such as liver dysfunction and muscle atrophy. Policosanol is free of these side effects.
    What makes policosanol exciting is that it has other actions against heart disease in addition to lowering cholesterol. Like statin drugs, policosanol helps stop the formation of artery lesions. This was proven in studies on rabbits fed a diet designed to create high cholesterol.
    One of policosanol’s important actions is to inhibit the oxidation of LDL. Oxidized LDL is dangerous. It promotes the destruction of blood vessels by creating a chronic inflammatory response. Oxidized LDL can also provoke metalloproteinase enzymes. These enzymes promote blood vessel destruction, partly by interfering with HDL’s protective effect. Studies show that rats treated with policosanol have fewer foam cells, reflecting less inflammatory response causing less blood vessel destruction.
    Another action of policosanol is to reduce the proliferation of cells on the lining of the arteries. Healthy arteries are lined with a smooth layer of cells so that blood can race through with no resistance. One of the features of diseased arteries is that this layer becomes thick and overgrown with cells. As the artery narrows, blood flow slows down or is blocked completely. Policosanol was tested for its ability to stop the proliferation of these cells. According to the results, policosanol’s ability to stop cell overgrowth “is in agreement with the antiproliferative effects reported for other lipid-lowering drugs, such as most of the statins.”
    Policosanol also inhibits the formation of clots, and may work synergistically with aspirin in this respect. In a comparison of aspirin and policosanol, aspirin was better at reducing one type of platelet aggregation (clumping together of blood cells). But policosanol was better at inhibiting another type. Together, policosanol and aspirin worked better than either alone. A related effect is that significant reductions in the level of thromboxane occur in humans after two weeks of policosanol. Thromboxane is a blood vessel-constricting agent that contributes to abnormal platelet aggregation that can cause a heart attack or stroke. 5

    Celery Seed Extract (Standardized 3nB)

    Throughout much of history, celery and celery seed has been used primarily as a homeopathic and medicinal herbs. Not until relatively recent history has celery been used for culinary purposes. The flavor of celery is somewhat herbal and astringent, but it has a succulent, crisp texture. Because of its low-calorie count, celery is a favorite diet food

    Celery seeds are mainly used in connection with rheumatism, arthritis, and gout. They are especially useful in rheumatoid arthritis where there is an associated mental depression. Additional benefits of celery seed may include the following:
    • Lowers Blood Pressure and Cholesterol - in one study, at the University of Chicago, lab animals who were given a daily dose of a compound extracted from celery seed experienced a 12 percent reduction in their blood pressure over a four-week period. The same study indicated it may reduce artery-clogging cholesterol. A traditional Vietnamese remedy for high blood pressure.
    • Healthy Joints - celery has been used and suggested as an alternative therapy for arthritis, rheumatism, and gout. Celery seed is most often taken to aid in the maintenance of healthy joints. Celery seeds have been found to have anti-inflammatory properties that reduce swelling and pain around the joints. It is suitable for anyone who wishes to reduce the degeneration of body joints that commonly occurs with age. Celery seed can also ease joint discomfort that occurs due to inflammation and is, in fact, used for the relief of symptoms of conditions such as arthritis.
    • Antiseptic Properties - celery seed has an antiseptic property that makes it useful to the health of the urinary tract and a diuretic property to help relieve fluid retention. Celery seed aids in the elimination of uric acid. These properties can prove useful in cases of bladder disorders, cystitis, and kidney disorders. Celery seed helps with urinary tract infection in women.
    • Acts as A Diuretic - the herb contains a diuretic substance that also benefits arthritis and gout patients, as it helps to flush away the uric acid crystals that build up around the joints. Celery helps shed water weight.
    • Menstrual Discomfort - celery may promote the onset of menstruation.
    • Anxiety - celery seed can help soothe the nerves and relieve pain.
    • Aids Digestion - Consuming celery seed in food also aids in the digestion of protein.
    • Cancer Agents - contains eight different families of anti-cancer compounds, such as phthalides and polyacetylenes, that detoxify carcinogens, present in high concentrations in cigarette smoke. 6

    Idebenone

    Idebenone is an analog of the very popular CoQ10. In most respects, Idebenone shares its traits with Coenzyme Q10 and like Coenzyme Q10 is might be useful for aging. It differs from it in some important ways, which may make it more useful. Under certain circumstances, Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) may become a pro-oxidant. These circumstances are conditions in which hypoxia or lack of oxygen occurs. In cases of shock, heart attack, stroke, or poor circulation, CoQ10 auto-oxidizes and unleashes massive amounts of various free radicals that damage delicate tissues and because CoQ10 is necessary for electron transport and ATP (chemical energy) production, cellular death may ensue. Idebenone, on the other hand, suppresses free radicals and continues ATP production in hypoxic situations. This may make it a useful supplement for individuals at risk for those conditions.

    Other important traits of Idebenone not shared by CoQ10 include the ability to raise the brain's serotonin levels like the SSRI antidepressants (Prozac) and it also increases the brain levels of nerve growth factor. Another trait is to protect the myelin sheath from damage as well as the mitochondria that has important implications in Multiple Sclerosis.
    The ability to enhance serotonin production occurs even under less than optimal conditions such as those whose diet contains little L-Tryptophan.

    Naturally, nerve growth is a desired result in many conditions. In Alzheimer's Disease, for example, several studies show dose dependent improvements when compared to placebo as measured by different tests when taking Idebenone. An abstract said, "Treatment with idebenone was found effective on memory, attention, and orientation and in slowing down the natural progressive worsening of the disease."

    The following conditions may benefit from Idebenone: Brain enhancement as a nootropic, stroke, Alzheimer's, dementia, surgical candidates, cardiovascular, MS, other demyelination conditions, aging, depression, Friedreich's Ataxia, and liver problems.7

    Saw Palmetto Extract (>45% fatty acid European pharmaceutical grade powder)


    Saw Palmetto is a small, palm-like plant native to North America. Native Americans and early American settlers used the berries to treat problems associated with the genitals, urinary tract and reproductive system. This herb is called the "plant catheter" due to its therapeutic effect on the neck of the bladder and the prostate in men. Saw Palmetto is widely used in Germany, Canada, the United Kingdom and now the U.S. for nutritionally benefiting the prostate and urinary tract. It has been marketed as an aphrodisiac for both men and women.
    The active constituents are volatile oil, steroidal saponin, tannins, and polysaccharides. Saw Palmetto is a tonic, and is one of the few herbal remedies that are considered to be anabolic - it strengthens and builds body tissues.
    For men it treats an enlarged and weakened prostate gland. It has shown significant action in treatment of conditions associated with benign prostatic hypertrophy (BPH). Saw palmetto extract works to prevent testosterone from converting into dihydrotestosterone, the hormone thought to cause prostrate cells to multiply, leading to an enlarged prostate. It is chiefly used as a diuretic and to tone the bladder by improving urinary flow, and relieving strain. Regular use of saw palmetto may decrease urinary frequency, especially during the night, by allowing complete bladder expulsion and reducing inflammation of the bladder and enlarged prostrate.
    Saw palmetto inhibits androgen and estrogen receptor activity and may be beneficial for both sexes in balancing the hormones. Because of it hormonal effects it can aid the thyroid in regulating sexual development and normalizing activity of those glands and organs.
    Women have used the herb to stimulate breast enlargement and lactation as well as treating ovarian and uterine irritability. It has been prescribed for reduced or absent sex drive, impotence and frigidity. Because of its potential hormonal effects, pregnant women should not use it.
    The berries have been recommended in treatment of diseases that deprive the body of strength and growth. Preliminary evidence exists to also suggest saw palmetto may also aid those suffering from thyroid deficiency. Saw palmetto is a good expectorant for use in clearing chest congestion and can be used to treat coughs, asthma, and bronchitis.
    It has also been used to stimulate appetite, improve digestion, nourish the nervous system and increase the assimilation of nutrients to the body. The berries have long held a reputation as sexual stimulants and aphrodisiacs. The largest use today is as a supplement for reducing enlarged prostate glands, treating urinary tract problems and for improving body strength.8

    Nettle Root (10:1 Urtica dioica)

    The roots of stinging nettle may be used to relieve the symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) -- a non-cancerous enlargement of the prostate gland. The prostate is part of the male reproductive system. The urethra, the tube that carries urine out of the body, passes through the prostate gland. For most men, BPH is a normal part of aging. An enlarged prostate may cause men to have trouble starting or maintaining urination, need to urinate more often, have urine leaks, or need to urinate during the night. Stinging nettle root contains chemicals that may prevent or delay the growth of prostate cells by interfering with an enzyme. In several studies, nettle root products have shown general effectiveness for relieving the symptoms of BPH. Frequently, it is included with other herbals such as pygeum and saw palmetto in "Prostate Formulas". It has also been known to reduce the levels of serum Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, which binds to testosterone in the blood and renders it inactive.
    Nettle root is also being studied for potential anti-inflammatory and blood pressure lowering effects. In studies of laboratory animals, nettle root extract seemed to reduce artificially-produced inflammation. How it worked is not known. Results from other laboratory studies may show that nettle root may relax blood vessels and stabilize the force of heartbeats. Both of these effects may contribute to lowering blood pressure. All these possible effects need further study, however.9

    Beta-Sitosterol


    As one of several phytosterols, plant compounds with chemical structures similar to that of cholesterol, beta-sitosterol is commonly found in foods such as wheat germ, soybeans, and corn oil. Over the past few years, concentrated extracts of this particular phytosterol have been tested for lowering cholesterol and lessening such discomforts of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) as frequent and painful urination.

    Beta-sitosterol appears to reduce cholesterol levels by blocking absorption of cholesterol. A review of several double-blind studies designed to test the efficacy of beta-sitosterol in men with symptomatic benign prostatic hyperplasia showed that the phytosterol (beta-sitostero) significantly improved urological symptoms and flow measure in study participants.

    Other purported benefits of Beta-sitosterol include boosting immunity and normalizing blood sugar, relieving inflammation, healing ulcers, enhancing uterine tone, and alleviating cramps. However, these health benefits of beta-sitosterol have not been substantiated by scientific evidence.10






    1: http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsHerbs/MilkThistlech.html
    2: http://www.primary.net/~gic/herb/milkt.htm
    3: http://www.wholehealthmd.net/refshel...25,809,00.html
    4: http://www.viable-herbal.com/singles/herbs/s350.htm
    5: http://www.i-care.net/policosinol.html
    6: http://www.nutrasanus.com/celery-seed.html
    7: http://internaf.org/ataxia/Idebenone_desc.html
    8: http://www.primary.net/~gic/herb/sawpalm.htm
    9: http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/Printab...552474,00.html
    10: http://www.nutrasanus.com/beta-sitosterol.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD
    Menstrual Discomfort - celery may promote the onset of menstruation.

    This is the best part dude. I hate menstruating right in the middle of my heavy Deads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    This is the best part dude. I hate menstruating right in the middle of my heavy Deads.


    Wow...


    But seriously... this product is so great and fills a huge nitch.

    So if there is a 2 month supply are most people using it in a manner such as this:

    2 weeks before cycle
    4 weeks while on
    2 weeks durring post cycle therapy


    Or what are the loading times of ingredients to become effective before begging the cycle?
    I still can't get over the price. Just awesome.
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    What impact will the Niacin have on liver profiles? I understand it's importance as to HDL, but isn't Niacin liver toxic? If it's flush-free, isn't the same as slow-release? Everything I've seen says that it's actually better to take the instant and non slow-release niacin because the slow-release causes more liver damage...?

    Just curious!!! I worry about Niacin... but I guess it can't be more toxic than any Pro-Hormone out there..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonesersRX7




    But seriously... this product is so great and fills a huge nitch.

    So if there is a 2 month supply are post people using it in a manner such as this:

    2 weeks before cycle
    4 weeks while on
    2 weeks durring post cycle therapy


    Or what are the loading times of ingredients to become effective before begging the cycle?
    I still can't get over the price. Just awesome.
    big bump to this- Price is frickin amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonesersRX7


    Wow...


    But seriously... this product is so great and fills a huge nitch.

    So if there is a 2 month supply are post people using it in a manner such as this:

    2 weeks before cycle
    4 weeks while on
    2 weeks durring post cycle therapy


    Or what are the loading times of ingredients to become effective before begging the cycle?
    I still can't get over the price. Just awesome.
    To tell you the truth you shouldn't need much of a loading time since we are using standardized extracts. I can't say this for absolute certain, but from what I had read it seemed that, take Hawthorn Berry Extract for instance, if you took just the Hawthorn berries you would have to pre load it for a month or so. But since its extract it has a much more profound effect, quicker. I have heard this from a few people around the boards who have tried both the extract and the berries.

    I think the best way to take this stuff is during an entire oral cycle (they are usually only 3-4 weeks long) and during PCT (maybe 2 weeks full dosage, next two weeks at half dosage) or if you are on a regular gear cycle you could probably get away with half dosages then full dosages in PCT.

    It really depends on you though. Depends on what kind of cycle you are running ya know.

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    What impact will the Niacin have on liver profiles? I understand it's importance as to HDL, but isn't Niacin liver toxic? If it's flush-free, isn't the same as slow-release? Everything I've seen says that it's actually better to take the instant and non slow-release niacin because the slow-release causes more liver damage...?

    Just curious!!! I worry about Niacin... but I guess it can't be more toxic than any Pro-Hormone out there..
    Actually the Niacin we were using was Flush Free. Regular niacin is liver toxic, yes, which is why we didn't use it. However, the flush free version, after more extensive research, is lacking in supporting studies so we dropped it from the formula. We didn't want to put any ingredient in there that is going to cause a major controversy. We rather keep people happy. The formula is just as effective this way, without the added powder, which COULD BE (but isn't proven either way) useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    What impact will the Niacin have on liver profiles? I understand it's importance as to HDL, but isn't Niacin liver toxic? If it's flush-free, isn't the same as slow-release? Everything I've seen says that it's actually better to take the instant and non slow-release niacin because the slow-release causes more liver damage...?

    Just curious!!! I worry about Niacin... but I guess it can't be more toxic than any Pro-Hormone out there..

    Umm My friend.

    Where do you see Niacin
    Sleep Supplement 3Z BCAA: Red Raspberry and Lemon flavors
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    GREAT Job LakeMountD
    Thank you very much

    Very thorough and complete



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    Now the hard part............keeping it in stock JK fellas, I'm sure once you've worked out the final details on the product you'll keep it stocked all the time right.......please tell me you'll keep it stocked......... cause then you guys will be all like this

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    Nice job Lake! Still cant rep your rep hogging azz!!!

    Glad I stocked up and got 4 months worth total.
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    damn nice.
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    Any idea when you'll get more of this wonderful product in???
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    Wow--excellent product profile. Will definitely be ordering form you in the future! Do you have a newsletter signup for updates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea223
    Any idea when you'll get more of this wonderful product in???
    Within the next 2 or 3 days.

    Thank you for your interest.

    We will announce it here when we are restocked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Siznoyton
    Wow--excellent product profile. Will definitely be ordering form you in the future! Do you have a newsletter signup for updates?

    No I am sorry we do not have a newsletter.

    This forum is the best place as a source of information and updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER
    Within the next 2 or 3 days.

    Thank you for your interest.

    We will announce it here when we are restocked.


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    I assume you are referring to the inositol hexanicotinate version..... that version, from what I understand, is gaining consensus as in fact, not causing liver side effects.....

    http://www.drjanson.com/djhl-html/20...tm#octacosanol

    I can't get pubmed studies But I'm sure Lake can

    My dad, who is 60, just told me today he has severe CAD (coronary artery disease), so I need something MAJOR for him, and guess what... he's going to go on "cycle support." Sweet!

    I had to explain why it was called "Cycle" support, and I have him convinced it's because Crowler likes to ride bicycles... lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    I assume you are referring to the inositol hexanicotinate version..... that version, from what I understand, is gaining consensus as in fact, not causing liver side effects.....

    http://www.drjanson.com/djhl-html/20...tm#octacosanol

    I can't get pubmed studies But I'm sure Lake can

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    I had to explain why it was called "Cycle" support, and I have him convinced it's because Crowler likes to ride bicycles... lol
    Hahaha that is some funny $hit. I will do you a favor and when I get a chance I will research some things for CAD and see what I can come up with. This formula should help with his prostate too, that usually tends to be an issue later in life.
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    Thanks LMD.. I'd appreciate any insight besides the normal policosanol, red yeast rice (lorvastatin) ****tail...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    Thanks LMD.. I'd appreciate any insight besides the normal policosanol, red yeast rice (lorvastatin) ****tail...
    red yeast rice is fine as long as it isn't run for really long periods of time.
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    How about some of this in the Cycle Support:

    Custom Nutrition Warehouse : Bio-Enhanced<SUP>TM</SUP> Na-RALA Powder [15 Grams] - $19.99

    NA-RALA! Looks water soluble and will play nice with water and light methinks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    How about some of this in the Cycle Support:

    Custom Nutrition Warehouse : Bio-Enhanced<SUP>TM</SUP> Na-RALA Powder [15 Grams] - $19.99

    NA-RALA! Looks water soluble and will play nice with water and light methinks!
    Yeah actually that and K-RALA are both stable enough to not turn into a pasty substance in the presence of a small amount of heat/light/moisture, but the only problem is you still have to deal with the taste and smell, which is more than what you want to have. ALA will burn like all heck on the way down, not to mention that disgusting smell. Don't worry we are looking into other things I promise .
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    not a problem... I love R-ALA... what can I say... And I still love Betaine! 2 supps to swear by!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    not a problem... I love R-ALA... what can I say... And I still love Betaine! 2 supps to swear by!
    I completely agree, and I wish we could use ALA, too. As for the Betaine, I just can't put it in because of the hepatoxic effects.
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    hepatoxic effects? I thought Betain has been indicated to reduce "fatty liver" deposits.... if it's hepatoxic... yikes! I won't use betaine anymore... my liver is already jacked from PH use back before I knew any better.
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    Can we get some more in stock PPPLLEEEAAAASSSEEE.......I can't start without it.
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    It is back in stock RIGHT NOW!

    Thank you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    hepatoxic effects? I thought Betain has been indicated to reduce "fatty liver" deposits.... if it's hepatoxic... yikes! I won't use betaine anymore... my liver is already jacked from PH use back before I knew any better.
    Oops I meant to say effects on lipids. I have posted it in a few threads out there. You can probably do a search and find it, if you do advanced search and put my name as one of the people in the thread. It didn't have good effects on cholesterol though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER
    It is back in stock RIGHT NOW!

    Thank you.


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    Wow... the cycle support.... the flavor is well..... I had trouble swallowing it.... I wound up having to use my capping machine to cap the powder and wound up having to take 24 pills to get 1 scoop of the stuff....... I have the choco peanut butter and mixed it with choc peanut butter protein.... Is anyone else exerpiencing very strong unpleasant tastes with theirs? Maybe I didn't add enough milk to all of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    Wow... the cycle support.... the flavor is well..... I had trouble swallowing it.... I wound up having to use my capping machine to cap the powder and wound up having to take 24 pills to get 1 scoop of the stuff....... I have the choco peanut butter and mixed it with choc peanut butter protein.... Is anyone else exerpiencing very strong unpleasant tastes with theirs? Maybe I didn't add enough milk to all of it?
    1 serving is only 6.2 grams. Most people are just adding it to their shakes and no problem from what they say.

    Are you sure you aren't taking too much?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    Wow... the cycle support.... the flavor is well..... I had trouble swallowing it.... I wound up having to use my capping machine to cap the powder and wound up having to take 24 pills to get 1 scoop of the stuff....... I have the choco peanut butter and mixed it with choc peanut butter protein.... Is anyone else exerpiencing very strong unpleasant tastes with theirs? Maybe I didn't add enough milk to all of it?

    Yeah, this is kind of strange because when I added it to my shake of milk and protein powder, I couldn't even taste it?
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    is a serving size 1 scoop? thats what i took.....
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    Each package should have the serving instructions with it.

    Short handled clear scoop is to the first line so not even half a scoop, per serving

    Long handled blue scoop is the entire scoop per serving.

    When we change ingredients the scoop size must change or the dosage will be off. This has puzzled me about other companies products which use the same scoop even when the ingredients change which do NOT have the same density. Or use different sized(CC) scoops for the SAME exact product.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER
    Each package should have the serving instructions with it.

    Short handled clear scoop is to the first line so not even half a scoop, per serving

    Long handled blue scoop is the entire scoop per serving.

    When we change ingredients the scoop size must change or the dosage will be off. This has puzzled me about other companies products which use the same scoop even when the ingredients change which do NOT have the same density. Or use different sized(CC) scoops for the SAME exact product.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    Wow... the cycle support.... the flavor is well..... I had trouble swallowing it.... I wound up having to use my capping machine to cap the powder and wound up having to take 24 pills to get 1 scoop of the stuff....... I have the choco peanut butter and mixed it with choc peanut butter protein.... Is anyone else exerpiencing very strong unpleasant tastes with theirs? Maybe I didn't add enough milk to all of it?
    had this happen once or twice. Just shake up the bag before you use it and yes the duliution make a hell of a differnce. in a 16oz shake you can't taste it mix it with much less milk or water and it taste like crap. mix with plenty of mik on its own its not bad, water its god awlful.
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    yea.. i took some last night with a 16 oz. shake instead of my normal 8 ounce and everything was completely copacetic dilution is key. the cookies are a hot item....everyone at work wants some now..lol...
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    Hey, it comes in peanut butter, I'm sold
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    i absolutley love the product. Cycle support is great but... BUT... it tastes so bad! At least my batch did. Its like liquid Novla Citrate crap. Its up there with on of the worse tasting things i've ever had. But i love the product. Im evern ordering more, maybe just not Peanut Butter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SrT4u2Nv
    i absolutley love the product. Cycle support is great but... BUT... it tastes so bad! At least my batch did. Its like liquid Novla Citrate crap. Its up there with on of the worse tasting things i've ever had. But i love the product. Im evern ordering more, maybe just not Peanut Butter.
    I understand what you are saying.
    Did you mix it with a protein shake, it may be better like that. I could get it to taste better but would have to have quite a bit more flavoring and sweetner added.

    I would say to everyone who is concerned about the taste to mix it up with a protein shake.


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