- 02-21-2010, 05:36 PM
- 02-21-2010, 05:39 PM
havent seen the literature regaurding this,
however, pre during and post have always done well for me
i like to flavor my gallon jug with 5 scoops of recoverpro and drinking it throughout the day, i honestly feel like i looked my best when dosing it that way.
- 02-21-2010, 05:42 PM
Well acccording to the study 4 grams elicts MHP but more did not. He said 4g maximizes the response. there is no use for more, if anything exercise will sensitize you to the anabolic response and you might require less actually during workouts. I need to make sure I don't waste money ether.
02-21-2010, 05:45 PM
MPS is what we are after right? To activate mTOR which signals MPS the graph shows 4 grams. He says in humans MPS lasts 4,5 hours.
02-21-2010, 05:46 PM
02-21-2010, 05:47 PM
02-21-2010, 05:49 PM
So what do you suggest? I am thinking 4x5 meals 20 grams of leucine for the day and maybe something at night.
02-21-2010, 05:52 PM
yea pre, during and post,
and after dinner/before bed
something like that may go well
havent read the study yet,
02-21-2010, 05:59 PM
Look at the powerpoint very awesome study he did. Once you read it let me know your thoughts.
02-21-2010, 06:08 PM
02-21-2010, 06:27 PM
Do you have adobe acrobate reader?
02-21-2010, 06:59 PM
02-21-2010, 07:00 PM
02-22-2010, 01:44 PM
You can view it online if you don't have power point.
02-23-2010, 06:20 AM
02-23-2010, 03:19 PM
Awesome. synergyire did you read the study? I want to know peoples thoughts on this. I see a lot of people taking 50 grams of bcaa's threw out the day even personal friends but if all I need is 4 grams every 4 hours than whos more cost effective?
02-23-2010, 07:27 PM
02-24-2010, 01:20 AM
James, you are better at some things in life than myself, currently your business,and money ability exceeds mine. Bodybuilding is some thing I am better at than yourself and I write this to help you Just like you help me with business.
what are your goals? you once said you want to compete right? or do you just want to look like a lean and buff guy? because you have already achieved that and you know how that works
if your goal is to become massive the below applies
In your case you are a special case, you do not eat any meats because of your religion. Moreover, eating meats packs on mass faster on you than any supplement. Ever heard the saying food is the ultimate anabolic? well it is true. I think as long as you are getting in adequate protein in though out the day you are fine. In short you need to eat meat to grow
I look at bcaa's and luecine as supplements and think dietary habits need to be in place first before resorting to supplements. you can ask any body builder and they will tell you the same. yes supplements have their place and are good, stack them on top of an already sound diet and you'll see much faster and better results.Further, I am not here to convince you to start eating meats I am just pointing out doing what works, if you are not doing what works you are not getting full benefits.
All the logic in the world can not convince you because you have been programmed from child hood to believe eating meats is a sin, we have all been taught things, as we grow up it is our responsibly to program in what beliefs are useful for us and what beliefs are ready to be put aside. That is our choice or we can hang onto beliefs that are ingrained in the subconscious. That is a whole other subject on the mind, subconscious mind and how to program in what you want into your subconscious mind.
I totally believe you can achieve great things and think it is possible for you to do great things with your body with out using meats(you already have done mazing things with your body since you started),however, if you want much much better results do what works man.
Since you are not currently not eating meats Recover pro would work fine with your meals. That is my opinion from my almost eight years of body building and competing in the NGA organization as an amateur and it meant to be of help.
I want every one to respect this guys choice for not eating meats, his decision and only he can make the change. No harassing him like some guys have done in the past okay.
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02-24-2010, 10:23 AM
02-25-2010, 01:13 PM
sorry broski been MIA,
Getting ready for the arnold and working, im reading it now
02-25-2010, 01:23 PM
alright read it
Not necessarily a study, but a review,
From what i gathered peak IM leucine levels ar at 45 min after meal and begin to Diminish and then drastically lower after 2.5 hours,
so IMO based on that
Eat a solid meal wait 45 minutes, consume 1 serving recover pro 15 min pre workout and sip throughout workout.
Add another serving POST workout with 30-40g HIGH GI carbs to increase anabolic responce,
Wait 1.5 hours eat another meal, and have 1/2 serving recover pro 2 hours after each meal
So it seems as though Drinking it through out the day may be easier
2.8g lecine every 3 hours or so = about 25 g leucine,
5 Servings recover pro per day, should work well for you given your diet is clean and high in good protein
and if you dont eat many meats, look into Buckwheat, complete protein, 10g protein and 30-36 carb per serving,
Amaranth i believe is 28g carb, 7g protein per serving and is a complete protein as well.
02-25-2010, 03:48 PM
Awesome read. Props bro. This is great. I don't know if this could be made to a sticky but your summery seems to agree with my thoughts. That is what I though. 5 servings spread out threw out the day.
02-25-2010, 03:52 PM
02-25-2010, 05:54 PM
Only a suggestion will ask later
02-26-2010, 03:50 PM
02-26-2010, 03:56 PM
02-28-2010, 06:27 PM
03-01-2010, 04:49 PM
I already started getting used to 30 grams of carbs during the day and than carb loading during the weekend.
03-01-2010, 05:31 PM
I'll have to read through this powerpoint...
The big thing would be to see who is used in the study (i.e., rats, people, or petri dish) Having to take less is better, and helps the wallet, but Ill have to read in and see...
damn link won't open thus far
03-01-2010, 05:49 PM
He converted it to a PDF. Yes wallet with money is always nice. It was done on humans.
03-01-2010, 07:38 PM
03-01-2010, 07:45 PM
Yea man tghats good.
Carbloading is great when on those diets
How many do you shoot for in a day.
I get around 800. But on realllllllly good days I've gotten 12-1400g.
Pretty awesome. What I will suggest tho bro is every 200-300 carbs do 2 sets to failure of pushups, pullups and body weight squats and if you have a resistance band on set of bis one of trie and 2 for shoulders (one press one raise) and do 50 situps
It'll swell your muscle bellys insanely.
Do you do depletion workouts on your carb loads too?
03-04-2010, 01:59 AM
03-08-2010, 01:50 PM
My Recover Pro has not come in yet. Soon as it comes in I will let you know know how this protocol works out.
03-08-2010, 01:55 PM
03-08-2010, 05:48 PM