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    Question re: PCS, Cycle Support


    I posted my upcoming Epistane cycle in the following thread. Regarding the PCT, I was under the impression that PCS had natural test properties and that the Cycle Support contributed to cortisol control when continued into the PCT phase of a cycle. Maybe I misunderstood some of the threads I researched, so could someone from AI provide some incite and give their thoughts on the PCT I have set up? Thanks in advance for any help.

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    PCS has the test boosting properties, but where was your research on the cortisol regarding Cycle Support?

    Which ingredient(s)?

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    are you planning on running a serm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KmuL View Post
    PCS has the test boosting properties, but where was your research on the cortisol regarding Cycle Support?

    Which ingredient(s)?

    Thanks
    doh! double-checked my notes and the Cycle Support was for lipid control, not cort control ... looks like I will be adding another cortisol supplement around the third week of PCT ... although the PCS does have test boosting properties, is it enough by itself or would you still recommend a natty test booster being added?

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    are you planning on running a serm?
    I was not planning on running a SERM ... there's so much back and forth regarding sources, legality, etc. that I was hoping to do a purely OTC PCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by strester View Post
    doh! double-checked my notes and the Cycle Support was for lipid control, not cort control ... looks like I will be adding another cortisol supplement around the third week of PCT ... although the PCS does have test boosting properties, is it enough by itself or would you still recommend a natty test booster being added?



    I was not planning on running a SERM ... there's so much back and forth regarding sources, legality, etc. that I was hoping to do a purely OTC PCT
    it is a natty test booster

    for the record I do recommend having a SERM on hand for Epi...better yet, run the SERM and add in the PCS with it around week 3 for 4 weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by KmuL View Post
    it is a natty test booster

    for the record I do recommend having a SERM on hand for Epi...better yet, run the SERM and add in the PCS with it around week 3 for 4 weeks
    exactly what i would do
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    Lean X or Endoamp for cort control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Lean X or Endoamp for cort control.
    Agreed Lean Xteme is very good for cortisol.
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    I prefer suggesting SERMs as well, but check this out (non-sponsored). Speedy used Anabolic Innovations Post Cycle Support and Cycle Support for his Oxodrol Pro cycle (Epistane Clone):

    12 month cycle free labs:
    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy_2007
    LIPID
    NA 140
    K+ 5.2
    CL 102
    CO2 31
    Glucose 103
    BUN 26 (marked as high?)

    GLOMELULAR FILT
    Creatine 1.0
    GFR >90

    BUN/CREAT Ratio 26.0 (marked as high?)
    Total Protein 7.8
    Albumin 4.6
    Globulin 3.2
    A/G Ratio 1.4
    Calcium 9.5
    Bilirubin Total 0.5
    AST (SGOT) 31
    ALT (SGPT) 50
    ALK PHOS 104

    Triglycerides 98
    Cholesterol 236 (marked high which it has been since first tested. was 279 at one point)
    HDL Cholesterol 40
    LDL 176
    VLDL 20
    CHOL/HDL Ratio 5.9

    Estradiol 19.2
    Testosterone 513.3
    Post Cycle Labs:
    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy_2007
    Doc called with the labs:

    He didn't test everything that he tested the first go 'round so this time he only tested the following:

    Estrogen 64 NORMAL <normal range 40 -115 for adult male>
    LH 1.5 NORMAL <normal range 1.5-9.3>
    *Total Test 200 LOW <normal range 241 - 827 ng/dl>
    *Free Test 6.6 LOW <normal range 8.7 - 25.1 pg/ml>
    FSH 4.0 NORMAL <normal range 1.4 - 18.1>


    So as you can see the Oxodrol Pro (aka Epistane) suppressed my natural testosterone.

    So I'm doing the AI's PCS now, will kick in some Lean Xtreme next week, and 6-oxo similar to what dmangiarelli's doing in this thread http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=106361621.
    Here are the supplements I've run along side:

    Centrum Performance MV
    AI Cycle Support @ 1 scoop daily (finished this on Sunday)
    2G Flaxseed oil daily (Natrol) still using
    5G BCAAs (SciFit) still using
    Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey (1-2 scoops daily) still using
    Glucosamine and Chondroitin (NOW) still using

    Sides were increased acne, pretty severe joint pain in my left shoulder and elbow, and depressed test system. No odd moods, hair falling out, or anything like that. I actually "felt" better than I normally do and was surprised to see the suppression.
    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy_2007
    OK, I got my PCT labs back and here are the results from what the doc felt needed testing:

    Total Test: 545
    Free Test: 15.8
    Triglycerides 134
    Cholesterol 195 (down from 236 pre cycle!!!!)
    HDL Cholesterol 35
    LDL 133
    VLDL 27
    Chol/HDL Ratio 5.6


    Obviously the AI's Post Cycle Support did it's thing. These labs were a mere 32 days after my post cycle labs that showed drops in test. AI's PCS gets a big thumbs up!


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    thanks for the input all ... found some research chems for my rats and will be using a SERM after all (tamox.citrate) in addition to the cycle support, pcs, and some lean xtreme that I picked up w/ the sweet sale at NP.
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    This was my bloodwork done the day after a 5 week 75mg per day h-drol cycle. I used PCS and lean Xtreme for my pct.




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    look like you coulda used some actX to boost your free test
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    Quote Originally Posted by panther77 View Post
    look like you coulda used some actX to boost your free test
    I know that Stoked/Actx really kicked up the free test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    I prefer suggesting SERMs as well, but check this out (non-sponsored). Speedy used Anabolic Innovations Post Cycle Support and Cycle Support for his Oxodrol Pro cycle (Epistane Clone):

    12 month cycle free labs:


    Post Cycle Labs:
    PCS did raise natural test well.
    But his lipids show the need for continued Cycle support use during and past pct. They are still bad and his ratio is terrible. If it stays that way very long, he sets himself up for heart problems. That is why I always preach that you need MORE time off than just the standard "time on = time off" theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    PCS did raise natural test well.
    But his lipids show the need for continued Cycle support use during and past pct. They are still bad and his ratio is terrible. If it stays that way very long, he sets himself up for heart problems. That is why I always preach that you need MORE time off than just the standard "time on = time off" theory.
    I agree totally on the more time off between cycles.
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