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    Milas, I am down for whatever works. Perhaps:
    B12
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    B1 (possibly sulbutiamine, if safe...600 milligrams gives me a boost orally but some say it is not safe long-term)
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    Yah Milas, I would say no with the caffeine, just becuase if it is a time release patch, it would be kindsa hard to go to bed at night when the patch is still releasing caffeine. Anyway, a lot of really good ideas so far. I talked to Steve about the creatine, and how they are working on it, but its been hard. Anyway, I would love to see a Prohormone/Designer patch and then of course, the PCT PATCH I was telling you about, that would be awesome..I am really interested in running some more patches, just a little low this month on some funds, unexpected Sh*t came up. Also, beyond that, my friggin back is still breaking out like crazy from abruptly ending my Prohormone cycle two months ago when I got hurt. I am afraid if I start the Testo100 patch now it will break out even worse. I just picked up a bottle of N2Clear so I am going to give that a shot. Too bad about the IGF-1 patch, that really had me excited. I am really excited about potential new products here and I look forward to running them. Going to apply the patch tonight, missed yesterday, fell right to sleep after shower and forgot the patch

    What do you think about doing the patches every three days for a month instead of every five days for two months. I might give this a shot..SJ

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    If it can be done for hgh it would be worth a shot to try for igf-1. And I'm sure everyone would understand that it would be expensive and still be willing to pay. I know I would. I forked over 150$ for the og oritropin from ibe back in the day.
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    Yah, no doubt, if it can be done I am sure alot of people would get in on the IGF-1 Patches..SJ
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    Also I like the magnesium idea. It is supposed to have many more benefits transdermal. Increased bioavailability as well as influencing Dhea increase in the body.
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    Yah, there are so many possibilities here with the patch administration..SJ
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    Also a reveritrol patch would do well I believe.
    And a formastane patch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuppJunkie
    Yah, there are so many possibilities here with the patch administration..SJ
    Yes you right I love the idea of patches. So many possibilities.
    And I second the androsterone idea as well.
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    Resveratrol would be GREAT - there are many (current party included) that are still undecided if Resveratrol supps are even efficasious when taken orally. LOTS of research supports they are not. However, lots do as well. Too early in the game for a definitive answer. One thing's for sure, transdermal would be superior if the daltons allow for it.

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    Also a reveritrol patch would do well I believe.
    And a formastane patch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Resveratrol would be GREAT - there are many (current party included) that are still undecided if Resveratrol supps are even efficasious when taken orally. LOTS of research supports they are not. However, lots do as well. Too early in the game for a definitive answer. One thing's for sure, transdermal would be superior if the daltons allow for it.
    Resveratrol works, the MW is 228 daltons. My only concern is the dose level, I like to dose pretty high but with patches you're a bit more restricted on how much you can load it with. R-Spray is already available from PA and Prototype, as you know Whacked, but perhaps there's a place for an easy and consistent "low" dose patch for general health and some AI properties?

    I'm thinking about 75mg of Resveratrol, how does that sound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogrick2 View Post
    Milas, I am down for whatever works. Perhaps:
    B12
    B6 (P5P preferably)
    B1 (possibly sulbutiamine, if safe...600 milligrams gives me a boost orally but some say it is not safe long-term)
    n-acetyl-tyrosine
    PEA
    vinpocetine (also some conflicting information about safety long-term)
    Thanks, I think the B12, B6, NAT and PEA are good as a base, I think we might be able to add a few more with a long release.

    I checked on sulbutiamine earlier, but that one's too big MW. Thiamine Disulfide is one of my favorite stim/energy ingredients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuppJunkie View Post
    Yah Milas, I would say no with the caffeine, just becuase if it is a time release patch, it would be kindsa hard to go to bed at night when the patch is still releasing caffeine. Anyway, a lot of really good ideas so far. I talked to Steve about the creatine, and how they are working on it, but its been hard. Anyway, I would love to see a Prohormone/Designer patch and then of course, the PCT PATCH I was telling you about, that would be awesome..I am really interested in running some more patches, just a little low this month on some funds, unexpected Sh*t came up. Also, beyond that, my friggin back is still breaking out like crazy from abruptly ending my Prohormone cycle two months ago when I got hurt. I am afraid if I start the Testo100 patch now it will break out even worse. I just picked up a bottle of N2Clear so I am going to give that a shot. Too bad about the IGF-1 patch, that really had me excited. I am really excited about potential new products here and I look forward to running them. Going to apply the patch tonight, missed yesterday, fell right to sleep after shower and forgot the patch

    What do you think about doing the patches every three days for a month instead of every five days for two months. I might give this a shot..SJ

    BTW, B-12 Patch =awesome
    For your goal of healing and maintaining, I'd do lower dose for longer. If you're going for anabolism I'd dose higher, like 1 every 3 days. You can try it out, but with something like hGH for healing it takes time.
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    PH's are good ideas, especially those with short half-life or non-methyls. The problem would be dosing, there'd be very little flexibility unless you cut the patch in half or quarters, etc. That'd actually work, that what I'm planning on doing with the melatonin patches I have.
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    Where can we find out what an ingredients daltons are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    PH's are good ideas, especially those with short half-life or non-methyls. The problem would be dosing, there'd be very little flexibility unless you cut the patch in half or quarters, etc. That'd actually work, that what I'm planning on doing with the melatonin patches I have.
    You are going to cut the patches into corners, LOL bro, I never thought of that. I am curious to see how that works..SJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Where can we find out what an ingredients daltons are?
    Google. Just type the ingredient and then molecular weight in the search. Wikipedia has most in there, plus their molecular structure. They'll call it molar weight, but it's the same thing.
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    I'd go for it every 3 days. Based on Steve's input that's totally exceptable for someone with anabolic goals. Even with the time release you're getting at least a full day, if not more (36 hours perhaps), of time off before the next patch starts working. Seems acceptable to me based on what HGH injections would look like. I may order the 3 month supply and run it like that myself.
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    Beats me. LOL. Not sure how things extrapolate/are translated "over a time-released patch" AND the exact % of bioavailablity from a patch as well. LOL

    Hope this helps you: http://www.amazon.com/Resveratrol-RE...3955422&sr=8-1

    (PS: that $15 is PER WEEK! So $60/month!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Resveratrol works, the MW is 228 daltons. My only concern is the dose level, I like to dose pretty high but with patches you're a bit more restricted on how much you can load it with. R-Spray is already available from PA and Prototype, as you know Whacked, but perhaps there's a place for an easy and consistent "low" dose patch for general health and some AI properties?

    I'm thinking about 75mg of Resveratrol, how does that sound?
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    This is what ive started doing. Granted im only 3 patches in, but i started with this last patch and will continue to dose every 3rd day and see how it treats me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    This is what ive started doing. Granted im only 3 patches in, but i started with this last patch and will continue to dose every 3rd day and see how it treats me.
    Interesting to see how this works for someone using it for anabolism. Perhaps you could log it for us???

    Also, I love the idea of a resveratrol patch. Lot's of people would gobble that up as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Interesting to see how this works for someone using it for anabolism. Perhaps you could log it for us???

    Also, I love the idea of a resveratrol patch. Lot's of people would gobble that up as well.
    Ill get up a log tonight for you guys. Im cutting anyway so itll be good for motivation plus spread some word.

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    I'm logging too, I'm doing 2 PowerPatch patches a week, once Monday night and once Wednesday night (for leg and chest day).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    PH's are good ideas, especially those with short half-life or non-methyls. The problem would be dosing, there'd be very little flexibility unless you cut the patch in half or quarters, etc. That'd actually work, that what I'm planning on doing with the melatonin patches I have.
    Ah, good! I used a melatonin patch last night and the night prior, and i think it's too strong for me. So the compounds are about evenly distributed across the patch? I'd like to try a 1/2 patch.
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    You could definitely cut it in half n try that for the patch.

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    Milas, you are doing two HGH Powerpatches a week, is that what you said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuppJunkie View Post
    Milas, you are doing two HGH Powerpatches a week, is that what you said?

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    Yes, one on Monday night (tonight) and one on Wednesday night. These correspond to 2 of my tougher workouts during the week (Tuesday is quads and Thursday morning is chest/hamstring). It also coincides with the evening of tought workouts too for better recovery (Monday is chest/tri and Wednesday morning is back/bi). I'm going to do a patch on my left foot on Mondays (left leg is 1" smaller than right, go figure) for leg day, and then Wednesday night I'll put a patch on my forearm for my chest workout. I know the patches are systemic, but I think there will be higher concentrations wherever you put the patch. I also noticed more effect from the patch when I had it on my foot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogrick2 View Post
    Ah, good! I used a melatonin patch last night and the night prior, and i think it's too strong for me. So the compounds are about evenly distributed across the patch? I'd like to try a 1/2 patch.
    Yeah, just cut it in half.

    My son has been on sublingual melatonin (1-2mg) for the past year now since he cannot fall asleep peacefully without it. Doctors wanted to put him on AD/HD medications and what not, but we wanted to try more natural solutions first. The melatonin has been a godsend, and has helped him get to sleep. Some nights though he doesn't sleep through the night, and will wake up and be ready to go at 1-2AM! We're going to try cutting the patch into quarters to see if that will help keep him asleep through the night (~1.25mg) more consistently.
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    Oh, I just looked up B12 and the MW is ~1550, so again unless it's "engineered" B12 it's not getting through transdermally. I think there's enough interest though to see what that would take for AgeForce and their suppliers to produce.
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    How about ecdy I've read how it works very well if injected.
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    Bump on a good idea.
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    ECDY, now that is a nice idea..awesome..SJ
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    So, has there been any talk guys about some new patches being brought to the market..I would love to hear about it..SJ
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    I am thinking a cortisol control patch would be nice. Non hormonal of course.
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    Creatine HCL
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    Amino Acids
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    Coq10 with taurine and idebonone
    Glutamine and Leucine
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    A lot of good ideas here, I know one is in the works for a staple type of supplement ...
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    Hopefullt thats the multi vitamin I asked about a few weeks ago, that would be great, and then some added CoQ10 as well..SJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuppJunkie View Post
    Hopefullt thats the multi vitamin I asked about a few weeks ago, that would be great, and then some added CoQ10 as well..SJ
    Not a bad idea. I also like the idea of MTII in a patch.
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    Bump for ecdy fo sho. Ph's would be sweet a$$ too
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