Enzyme Optimization Cycle - 1-Androsterone + 4-AD

[prld2gr8ns]

The conversion rate isn't static in a biological environment. I'd love to guess but it would be just that (a guess). Personally I think it varies to a great degree by age as well. Having said all that we need to just pay for some bloodwork on the stuff and see how much it increases test after chronic use (a standard 1 box cycle). The German study really shed some interesting light on the topic though. All the "andros" utilize the same conversion pathway, so it's reasonable to assume that 4-AD would be metabolized in a similar manner to 1-Androsterone (1-DHEA). In that German study the primary metabolites were as follows:

The metabolites in order of peak concentrations:

. Alpha-isomer of 1-Androsterone/1-DHEA
1-Testosterone
HO-Dione 1
1-Androstenediol, Alpha-isomer of 1-Androstenediol, and HO-Dione 2
1-Androstenedione
1-Androsterone or 1-DHEA

That's pretty good news that 1-testosterone was the second highest metabolite after only 1 cap. Of course these were urinary metabolites and not plasma levels which can vary.

I've been looking for reliable guys to sponsor some bloodwork for but get so busy with other stuff. If someone is interested in running a 4-AD only cycle with bloodwork please PM me. There are certain requirements that must be met.

Very good information and something that will prove invaluable for any future user. Getting a few people together to run a hormone assay during a 4 week 4-dhea cycle would really get the eyes open, especially if we can theorize a similar conversion estimate as seen in the 1 - dhea study!!! This could really prove to the masses that these dhea metabolites are even more effective then originally thought.

[jodenem99]

looks like a cycle i want to try ,also wanted to add havoc 20/30/30/40/40/40 what are your thoughts on that .thank you

[Royd The Noyd]

looks like a cycle i want to try ,also wanted to add havoc 20/30/30/40/40/40 what are your thoughts on that .thank you

Stacking a methyl like havoc with a prohormone is a good idea imo. Starting the havoc first would be ideal.

[jodenem99]

hi ,i am going to do this 1-andro / 4 ad cycle for 8 wks .starting march 3 after vacation. i have two boxes ,also two bottles of havoc which i am going to combine for 6 wks . i was going to start the havoc two wks into the cycle i saw your previous reply and wondered why you recommend starting the havoc first . thank you for your imput

[Royd The Noyd]

hi ,i am going to do this 1-andro / 4 ad cycle for 8 wks .starting march 3 after vacation. i have two boxes ,also two bottles of havoc which i am going to combine for 6 wks . i was going to start the havoc two wks into the cycle i saw your previous reply and wondered why you recommend starting the havoc first . thank you for your imput

Essentially I have found some research suggesting that the enzymes that convert prohormones into more powerful anabolics are up-regulated when you suppress natural testosterone (it's more of a theory at this point but there is good evidence there). So taking a suppressive designer steroid like havoc would suppress your natty test faster, and thus make the prohormones you follow it up with more effective.

[jodenem99]

ok i understand what your saying ,i know i did read that taking a methylated does help with the obsorption of the non- methylated prohormone i will follow your advice and start the havoc first.. now what would you recommend start the havoc maybe 2 wks ahead . thank you for your imput

[CopyCat]

ok i understand what your saying ,i know i did read that taking a methylated does help with the obsorption of the non- methylated prohormone i will follow your advice and start the havoc first.. now what would you recommend start the havoc maybe 2 wks ahead . thank you for your imput

Another idea on starting the havoc in the beginning (and this is somewhat bro science to be honest) is that having the AMS ph still running after the havoc is done will help you keep and solidify your gains from it. As opposed to possibly loosing some when a cycle abruptly ends and the hormones are gone from the body.

[CopyCat]

ok i understand what your saying ,i know i did read that taking a methylated does help with the obsorption of the non- methylated prohormone i will follow your advice and start the havoc first.. now what would you recommend start the havoc maybe 2 wks ahead . thank you for your imput

I would probably start them all together which would leave you with 2 wks of the AMS ph running after you are done with the havoc. If you started the havoc 2 wks ahead you would be looking at a 10 wk cycle instead of an 8 wk total.

[jodenem99]

ok .sounds good , i didnt really want to extend to 10 wks . looking forward to a good cycle and have a solid pct already lined up .. was wanting to try the new intimidate but havent seen it being sold yet .. but i will have some kind of daa, tamoxifin, i have hcgenerate ,arom-x , erase . thanks for the feedback

[CopyCat]

ok .sounds good , i didnt really want to extend to 10 wks . looking forward to a good cycle and have a solid pct already lined up .. was wanting to try the new intimidate but havent seen it being sold yet .. but i will have some kind of daa, tamoxifin, i have hcgenerate ,arom-x , erase . thanks for the feedback

Sounds good man. Keep us posted on how things go and hit us up if you have any questions.

[Royd The Noyd]

I wrote this up better on the blog if you want to check it out

http://advancedmusclescience.blogspo...-stacking.html