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    19-alpha and 1-alpha ? what is this?


    at vitamine shoppe they sell 4ad and 19-alpha and 1-alpha by ams? what are they and is the 4ad the same as the one you have on your site and what are the alphas? please respond!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddog28 View Post
    at vitamine shoppe they sell 4ad and 19-alpha and 1-alpha by ams? what are they and is the 4ad the same as the one you have on your site and what are the alphas? please respond!!!!
    That's kind of weird. It's not alpha unless that's another way to describe andro, it's 19-norandro and 1-andro. Maybe they just mislabeled it (Vitamin Shop).

    More info? Were you looking at a price tag or the supplement itself?
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    the actual product online liek i thought the same thing like u said 1-andro and thats why i was puzled? nd i was also confused cuz its a pro hormone im pretty sure nd i didnt know they selled them at vitamine shoppe
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    its a special run just for VS as they dont allow for alot of PHs.
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    so its the real stuff?
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    please answer?
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    Yes, but our product line that is available elsewhere is superior. They are simply different isomers of dhea.
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    so the one in vitamine shope is not as strong?...do u still need a pct for it then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddog28 View Post
    so the one in vitamine shope is not as strong?...do u still need a pct for it then?
    Yes it is still hormonal so you will still need a pct plan.
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    how should i stack these and or what should i use all 3 just one what is the best i want to gain mass and strength ....this would be my first hormonal i know a ton about it but i like to know as much as possible you know.. and what would be a solid pct..i was thinking of doing epi-stane but this might b better idk?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddog28 View Post
    how should i stack these and or what should i use all 3 just one what is the best i want to gain mass and strength ....this would be my first hormonal i know a ton about it but i like to know as much as possible you know.. and what would be a solid pct..i was thinking of doing epi-stane but this might b better idk?!
    Do you just have 19-Alpha and 1-Alpha? No 4-AD caps? They are stackable yes. You could even use them with epistane but you probably want to stick with only one hormone for a first cycle.

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    no thier is 4ad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Do you just have 19-Alpha and 1-Alpha? No 4-AD caps? They are stackable yes. You could even use them with epistane but you probably want to stick with only one hormone for a first cycle.

    I wrote the below specifically for guys running and researching their first cycles. It should help answer some of your questions:
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    I work at vitamin shoppe, I know that 1-alpha which is 1-andro 100mg, works very well but I do recommend taking chrysin and/or dim with it as a pct. I was shocked that we carry it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkelley561 View Post
    I work at vitamin shoppe, I know that 1-alpha which is 1-andro 100mg, works very well but I do recommend taking chrysin and/or dim with it as a pct. I was shocked that we carry it.
    Chrysin is useless as a PCT. You should be directing them to better products to help restore their natural balance of hormones. AMS arom-x would be a much better choice.
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    Here's a couple of quick questions...it says to take 1 to 3 caps per day in cycles of 4-6 weeks, so my questions are:
    -do you take em all at once or space em out
    -do you take em with meals or anytime you feel like it
    If I take 1 alpha and run out before the 4 to 6 weeks, can I immediately take 19 alpha for the rest of the time table provided?

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    Old thread bump here. I just picked up two bottles of 1-Alpha from Vitamin Shoppe they had BOGO. Since this thread was started a yar ago, DAA has become popular. Do you think a run of 4-6 weeks of Alpha-1 and a PCT of DAA Pure would be sufficient?
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    bump for answers= thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulpatch
    bump for answers= thanks
    Ok, PCT,is one of those things that gets to be a touchy subject because there are so many variables and people are different. I've seen people run superdrol with barely any PCT and be fine you know. So, with that I can tell you what I would do based on my own experience. DAA would be good for sure and arom x added to that would be a very good deal. I personally would use those two with the addition of some milk thistle or other liver support. I have a ton of cycle support so I would just use that. Other than that I prolly wouldn't use anything like a SERM. That's just me. Of course even wit other harsher cycles in regards to SERMs I usually use Torem and begin high n heavy but taper off much faster and earlier than you usually read on the boards. This is a softer cycle so PCT should be much easier IMO
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    copy Cat- thanks so much. That was what I wanted to know
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    I just saw this thread and felt compelled to chime in with a simple, straightforward answer:

    1-Alpha is a DHT prohormone. It's basically the same thing as Primordial Performance's original Andro Hard (version 1). Epiandrosterone is the primary active and it converts to DHT, giving you harder, leaner and more vascular muscles. It also greatly stimulates sex drive.

    I don't know why AMS chooses to play it so safe and not just come out and say it in their product description, but that's what we're dealing with here, just FYI.
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    Thanks Freepress, always appreciate an education
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepress View Post
    I don't know why AMS chooses to play it so safe and not just come out and say it in their product description, but that's what we're dealing with here, just FYI.
    Probably because they want to keep making these products and not bring any more unwanted attention to themselves then it would otherwise. The fact that they got it into VS says a lot and one must be a little conservative on the product descriptions when dealing with a mainstream commerce company.
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