- 06-15-2010, 01:20 PM
One day into PCT. Probably earlier than most at 13 days would but felt it was the right time. I was hardly feeling the 1-Androsterone even at 4 per day so will save my caps for next cycle when I hope my tolerance will be less.
Strength still going up first day of PCT. Endurance/Cardio still up there. Feel great and hoping to maintain my current weight (80.1 +3.5 from start). Thinking about a 1T-Tren cycle of about the same length in a couple of weeks.
- 06-15-2010, 10:52 PM
As a general rule of thumb, time on cycle plus time on PCT equals time off before next cycle to allow your body to return to normal hmeostasis and refresh your receptors.
BTW...what are you using for your current PCT?
06-16-2010, 08:01 AM
My PCT is the PP TRS along with Mucuna Pruriens and 2 adaptogens which I run anyway. (Suma and Ashwagandha in case you're interested).
06-16-2010, 08:38 PM
06-18-2010, 09:28 AM
...but specifically as quoted from it:
What this article should hopefully highlight is that there is no requirement to spend too long on a course of prohormones. Instead, a user can capture the benefits of prohormones while keeping side effects to a minimum by keeping cycle lengths short and also keeping appropriate liver support and estrogen blocking supplements to hand. Although the length of cycles may need to fluctuate slightly depending on individual tolerance to side effects one of the following two approaches is recommended:
1. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off 2 weeks on 4 weeks off
The 2 on-2 off approach was popularised by reknowned US writer Bill Roberts. By keeping cycle length to just two weeks, followed by two weeks of PCT, the chance of side effects is reduced significantly. Although gains will not be as high as the approach below, this approach has the advantage of allowing you to commence a cycle again after just two weeks off. At that that point you could go on for two further weeks followed by a full four weeks off (where you would use PCT products again). At that point many users will start over again.
The major advantage of this approach is it will produce steady gains over time, and because time off is reduced on this type of cycle, losses post cycle will be reduced or even eliminated making it very attractive psychologically, as nobody wants to run a cycle and get great gains, only to lose most of it during a long recovery period. By keeping time spent using prohormones to a minimum at any one time the chance of side effects is reduced massively."
Would you mind telling me why you'd think he (and Bill Roberts) might be wrong in recommending short cycles? Also, comparatively - what evidence is there that longer cycles would be safer/more effective than shorter ones (twice over 8 weeks inc PCT)? Also, and only from my (very) limited experience, I saw my tolerance to the 1-Andro go right up after about 10 days to the point where I'd needed to have taken nearly twice as many caps to achieve the same effect, so wouldn't it make sense that shorter cycles are better at keeping your body guessing and keeping tolerance to any given substance low? This (assuming that tolerance goes back down after 2 weeks off) would make it far more economical also.
06-22-2010, 12:31 AM
The way i see it is it really depends on the PH used and the Person. Not all that works for one will work for other and many will expeience tolerance & side effect problems at different times. I dont see great gains with 4 week cycles, well let me rephrase ... I dont keep my gains with short cycles and this product inpaticular is pretty mild and the sweet spot for me is right around 8weeks. If i run it for lets say 3-4 weeks ill put on 6-8lbs but prob loose 3-6 due to water and other reasons. So personally for me im a supporter of the longer cycles.
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