AMS stack and what to expect
- 06-01-2009, 09:42 AM
AMS stack and what to expect
I am very interested in your Utt system. Have run my share of orals (SD, HDrol, Epi, "tren," 1AD/4AD) in the past and possibly looking at AMS for my next run. Have run the older 1-ad and 4-ad in the past.
Can you run 1.5mL 3x/day?
With the 1AD that would 90mg taken--> 90 in the blood stream and compares to the pill form about 600mg.
Can you go up to 2mL 3x/day?
For the best lean muscle building would i better off with Liquidrone or Decavol?
What kinda gains can I expect from this?
- 06-01-2009, 10:48 AM
Gains are all depending on your diet, but as far as dosing goes, I wouldnt go more than 1ml per dosing, if you want to go higher than the 2ml total per day, I'd do like 1ml morning, 1ml afternoon, 1ml evening or whatever combo you want to meet your dosing needs.
- 06-01-2009, 12:28 PM
06-01-2009, 12:31 PM
well, it also depends on conversion as well, whereas the pills converted at 15-20%, so 20% of 600mg= 120mg....
06-01-2009, 01:23 PM
06-01-2009, 01:34 PM
I would dose the liquadrone 1ml 2x day.
Or could I run all three? Deca, 1ad, liquadrone... Looking at like a 6 wk cycle.
06-01-2009, 01:35 PM
06-01-2009, 02:29 PM
That's what I was thinking about. Wondered if deca vs the 4ad would be better for that dry hard look?
06-01-2009, 02:35 PM
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06-01-2009, 09:33 PM
I'm going to bug the execs and see if we can get a packaged deal on that stack at our store. We have all the other combos on the front page of the AMS Store.
06-01-2009, 09:37 PM
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06-02-2009, 07:40 AM
I too am a fan of longer cycle. How long could 1ad, 4ad and liquidrone be run... 8 weeks? I feel this would be a solid run (not sure how sold i am on DHEA complient PH) maybe only running the liquidrone for 6 though.
How is shut down with the combo esp at the longer length? Feel an AI would be enough during PCT esp with the 19-nor and 1ad?
Should there be any worry with the test --> estro coversion with the 19-nor? As far as i understand you get progestin effects while aromatizing aas?
I get puffy nips (nothing major) on but never get a mass and they back to normal during PCT. Should I look at using a topical AI while on? (have started to consider this due to this fact) I always have nolva onhand just in case... but rather not deal with it. But i know there is always a chance.
I have had an interest in your products for a while, due to my ??? of the methyls. Also considering just getting some test c. If I did could I kick off my cycle with the liquidrone?
06-02-2009, 08:39 AM
Personally I think if you're low enough in bodyfat you should not have any great degree of estrogen problems on cycle. I have never used an AI with any of them and like you just keep nolva on hand in case of emergency. If you're carrying around more BF I'd first urge most people to try and reduce that before cycling but if not then a low dose AI might not be a bad idea. I think CEL makes a new topical formestane that likely works well on cycle.
In terms of PCT I'm a fan of tapering off a serm, then pyramiding an AI. I actually have a graph of an upcoming PCT plan I can post up later today (need to clean it up and load to photobucket). Maybe that will give you a better idea of something I might do. Obvioiusly PCT is very individual so do what you know works for you.
I think Liquidrone would be a very good kick start for test c. Depending on your goals I'd go with the following:
1-Andro: for pure strength
Liquidrone: for lean mass
06-02-2009, 12:17 PM
yeah the 1test and "tren" for 8 weeks worried me with shutdown because both are notorious for it...
I have run a 19-nor with epi for 4 weeks and loved it, but wanna get away from the methyls and run longer cycles for more solid consistant gains.
The CEL form was def what i had in mind for on cycle... i usually keep a lean bodyfat i am 190ish with about 7-8%bf.
I do something similar prob for PCT.
week 1-4 serm
week 3-6 AI but tapered, no ramp up though
week 3-6 cort control
06-02-2009, 01:34 PM
That looks fine to me. At that bodyfat I probably wouldn't even bother with the form. But that's of course up to you.
06-02-2009, 02:04 PM
06-02-2009, 06:59 PM
I really wish we could help out but right now we are not supporting any sponsored logs.
06-02-2009, 08:20 PM
I just question if I will see the kind of results I am expecting with such a small amount compared back to the older stuff. I guess you are also adding in the 19-nor but still. Just looking at the 1AD i would think 0.5mL 3x/day would be the minimal starting point... which would roughly workout to 300mg of the oral 1AD. Compared to the older 1AD how is the conversion to 1test with this newer version? I guess that is a very important question.
06-02-2009, 09:34 PM
The actual half life of each compound doesnt change even with the faster delivery of the UTT method. This is why the UTT method is so effective. You reach levels quicker and maintain the serum concentrations over the course of the day. Most all of the compounds range in half lifes from 6-10 hours so we usually recommend dosing 8 hours apart or more often if you can.Just like similar molecules, 4-AD has a half life. When taken in pill form, you rely on the body to break the pill down then the molecule, resulting in wasted time and causing excess stress on the liver and other organs (4-AD UTT™ avoids the first pass through the liver entirely). This often results in only 15% of the molecule being delivered in the first hour. So for you to achieve sufficient blood levels of the molecule in pill form you must take 200 mg (30 mg the first hour) 2 times a day. However, 4-AD UTT™ is fully dissolved in the Liposomal liquid solution, the full dose of 40 mg can be delivered in 1 hour (as compared to 30 mg with pills), reaching blood plasma levels sooner.
I'll link to another thread I made regarding UTT delivery in a bit (off to search for it...).
06-02-2009, 09:37 PM
Here we go. Read this thread, and important add on in this read is that more of the compound does not necessarily mean increased results when were dealing with UTT delivery. Overall it's just a more efficient process:
Sublingual Prohormone Delivery
06-02-2009, 09:51 PM
"For the best way to achieve desired gains, sublingual products should be administered in three doses per day for the length of a cycle"
hmmm... makes me want to go 3x/day not 2... they used 4AD
"A 25 mg sublingual dose outperformed a 100 mg oral dose by a 261% greater testosterone increase! Again that is at 25 mgs, one quarter the dosage! It should be noted however, that sublingual absorption does have its limits. This same study was also done with a 50 mg sublingual dose and was shown to me no more effective than a 25 mg dose. This may be due to a somewhat limited capacity for absorption through the sublingual tissues. There is a limited surface area under the tongue, which probably means there is a finite amount of material that can be absorbed sublingually."
Interesting... but what if the dosage was increased by spread out the increase in amount not?
06-02-2009, 10:04 PM
4-AD can cause some CNS stimulation so we do like to tell people to not dose it too closely to bed time.
06-02-2009, 10:42 PM
06-02-2009, 10:57 PM
06-03-2009, 08:37 AM
08-17-2009, 09:36 AM
maybe its just me but I had to double the dose and spread it out during the coarse of the day to feel the results. i am tweeking it on the 3rd week.
08-17-2009, 09:37 AM
08-17-2009, 12:47 PM
wonder how a 185-190 pounder would respond
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