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    Arom-X = 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester is it DHT related?


    Hi, i just started taking Arom-X because im taking Propecia for hairloss and want to make sure i have Estrogen under control, since Propecia blocks DHT and can increase Estrogen.


    But i was wondering if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient in Arom-X is DHT related, metabolite, or covnerts to DHT, and causes DHT related type hairloss?


    Because im noticing some thinning just recently as i started the Arom-X, and ive read that 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester converts to DHT or has the same effects as DHT has on the body.



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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    Hi, i just started taking Arom-X because im taking Propecia for hairloss and want to make sure i have Estrogen under control, since Propecia blocks DHT and can increase Estrogen.


    But i was wondering if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient in Arom-X is DHT related, metabolite, or covnerts to DHT, and causes DHT related type hairloss?


    Because im noticing some thinning just recently as i started the Arom-X, and ive read that 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester converts to DHT or has the same effects as DHT has on the body.


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    I dont think it converts directly to DHT at all, from what I've read PA seems to think it it MAY make 2 conversions to DHT, but is more than likely not to.
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    Thanks guys,


    Do you think the owner/product inventor can give me a definite answer to if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient in Arom-X converts to DHT at all or has the same effects as DHT does in causing hairloss?


    I would hate to stop taking it as i feel pretty good taking it with Propecia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    Thanks guys,


    Do you think the owner/product inventor can give me a definite answer to if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient in Arom-X converts to DHT at all or has the same effects as DHT does in causing hairloss?


    I would hate to stop taking it as i feel pretty good taking it with Propecia.


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    Yes, will have u a answer directly from the top soon. As Tat said it does'nt convert directly to dht so hairloss should'nt be a issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOHNJESSICA20 View Post
    Yes, will have u a answer directly from the top soon. As Tat said it does'nt convert directly to dht so hairloss should'nt be a issue.

    Thank you, i would really appreciate that as i would love to know.
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    For the reps, ive read on here that 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester is basically Androsterone, which converts to Stanolone, and Stanolone is identical to DHT.


    Is this true guys?
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    Something to keep in mind is that there still isn't conclusive evidence as to whether its DHT levels that cause hairloss, or something else involved in the process of conversion of testosterone to DHT. As an example, for young boys who arent developing into puberty properly they use DHT to help spur on normal testicle development and yet dont use finasteride and there isn't any hair loss. Also studies have been being done recently to use DHT instead of testosterone for male hormone replacement therapy in older men as there are signs that it actually shrinks the prostate when its from an exogenous source, and from what i've seen of preliminary results there wasn't any noted hairloss during the studies.

    Not that any of this has anything directly to do with Arom-x, but figured i'd chime in on DHT in general
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Something to keep in mind is that there still isn't conclusive evidence as to whether its DHT levels that cause hairloss, or something else involved in the process of conversion of testosterone to DHT. As an example, for young boys who arent developing into puberty properly they use DHT to help spur on normal testicle development and yet dont use finasteride and there isn't any hair loss. Also studies have been being done recently to use DHT instead of testosterone for male hormone replacement therapy in older men as there are signs that it actually shrinks the prostate when its from an exogenous source, and from what i've seen of preliminary results there wasn't any noted hairloss during the studies.

    Not that any of this has anything directly to do with Arom-x, but figured i'd chime in on DHT in general


    Well im pretty sure that it is DHT that causes hairloss because Propecia stops conversion of Testosterone to DHT, and Propecia stops hairloss. Everytime i go on Propecia my hair gets thicker. Boys during puberty are less likely to loose hair as it takes a certain amount of androgen stimulation over time before somebody genetically predisposed to hairloss starts to loose hair. I didnt start slowly losing hair untill my 20's but during puberty when my DHT levels were sky high i had no hairloss at all. It also depends on genetics, but 95% of people before the age of 18 usually wont loose any hair no matter what they take.


    I agree about DHT shrinking the prostate, i LOVE the hormone DHT and think its awsome, but it makes me loose hair and i definetly dont want to loose hair.


    This is why im asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    Well im pretty sure that it is DHT that causes hairloss because Propecia stops conversion of Testosterone to DHT, and Propecia stops hairloss. Everytime i go on Propecia my hair gets thicker.
    Right, but thats what the studies have been showing recently, that most of what we think are negative effects of DHT are negative effects related to the conversion, not necessarily of DHT itself. If you have low to no natural testosterone production, and take DHT directly, none of the negative sides normally associated with DHT occur.

    So true, you with a normal to high testosterone level and i'm guessing high 5a reductase level have a high DHT conversion rate and so propecia stops that, and stops the hair loss. I can't say either way myself whether Arom-X either can or can't convert to DHT, or by which mechanism it does, and whether it could cause hair loss or not. Just wanted to share the other info. I'm waiting for one particular study that was conducted by a university in washington to be published, it was just completed a couple months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Right, but thats what the studies have been showing recently, that most of what we think are negative effects of DHT are negative effects related to the conversion, not necessarily of DHT itself. If you have low to no natural testosterone production, and take DHT directly, none of the negative sides normally associated with DHT occur.

    So true, you with a normal to high testosterone level and i'm guessing high 5a reductase level have a high DHT conversion rate and so propecia stops that, and stops the hair loss. I can't say either way myself whether Arom-X either can or can't convert to DHT, or by which mechanism it does, and whether it could cause hair loss or not. Just wanted to share the other info. I'm waiting for one particular study that was conducted by a university in washington to be published, it was just completed a couple months ago.


    In my opinion i doubt this. There really are no documented side effects of DHT to be recorded. Everybody i know with genetic hairloss doesnt loose hair if they cycle Testosterone with Propecia, but if they take a pure DHT compound that needs no conversion like Winny, Masteron, or Proviron, with Propecia, they start losing hair again. This could debunk the thought that DHT itself doesnt cause hairloss, and that hairloss is caused by something else that happens during the conversion process of Testosterone to DHT. It simply has to do with the hormone itself DHT.


    There are plenty of guys with lower end Testosterone levels that are losing there hair. Ive seen numerous bloodwork from guys in their 20's-30's that have lower end Testosterone levels and are losing hair. I can 110% gaurantee you that if they took Proviron, Stanolone, DHT cream,ect, that they would start losing hair more rapidly.


    The only reason that it was discovered that DHT caused hairloss and prostate problems was for a couple reasons.


    First, there are a group of people in the Dominican Republic called pseudohermaphrodites, that lack the Type 2 5 alpha-reductase enzyme that converts Testosterone and other androgens into Type 2 DHT.


    They found that after studying these people, that they never develop prostate cancer, and that they never go bald or show signs of hairloss. I think that it was based off of this information that Merck Developed Proscar for Prosate conditions, then later Propecia for hairloss. They found that patients on Proscar would regrow hair or have a stopping of their hairloss or improvement in their hair.



    Also, we have to remember that DHT is 5 times as androgenic as Testosterone, so its a more potent androgen that binds to the androgen receptor at a much higher rate. This too is a reason why it causes hairloss i beleive because DHT is by far the most androgenic male hormone we naturally produce. Thats why i beleive it causes greater fatloss and energy effects than testosterone awell, and i beleive that a lot of the benefits of testosterone are actually from it converting to DHT. Remember, that if one has a problem and has low Testosterone levels, and feels like crap, they most likely also have lower DHT levels aswell because enough Testosterone has to be around to convert to sufficient DHT levels.



    This is why highly androgenic compounds and DHT based compounds like Winny, Tren, Proviron, Masteron,ect, still cause hairloss even if you use Propecia on cycle to block DHT conversion. I beleive that people still lose hair for the combination of reasons that some of these compounds are essentially identical to the DHT we produce in our bodies, and are pure DHT we are putting in our bodies that need no conversion. This would debunk the thought that DHT itself doesnt cause hairloss directly, because there is no Testosterone to DHT conversion with these compounds. And also that these compounds are a lot more androgenic that Testosterone and bind to the androgen receptor at a much higher rate.



    Also, some certain type of people do get prostate flare ups and problems from DHT or DHT compounds, but i beleive that this only happens when you either have too high of Estrogen levels, and also not high enough Testosterone levels. Its all pretty complicated stuff.



    The best we can hope for, as far as hairloss is concerned, is a topical anti-androgen that really works, and only works locally at the scalp, other than genetic alterations that can make our hair not sensative to DHT and other androgens.
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    Subbing. Give me a little bit and I'll get more info. However it's just a hunch but I believe it does convert to some degree (likely small).
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    No info yet? Can any of you guys get in contact with the company?


    Basically i wanted to know if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient converts into Stanolone in the body, which is identical to DHT, or if the 3a-Hydroxyetioallocholan Ethyl Ester ingredient converts to DHT in the body that a drug like Propecia wouldnt block.


    I really would like an answer please guys.


    Thanks!
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    The answer is yes. It first converts to adiol which then converts to DHT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    The answer is yes. It first converts to adiol which then converts to DHT.
    A diagram:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    A diagram:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    A diagram:



    Thanks for this diagram. So basically this mean that taking Propecia and blocking DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme still wont stop the DHT conversion from Arom-X?



    Basically the Androsterone converts to 17B-HSD to - 5a-Androstane-3a,17B-DIOL to - AKR1C to - DHT



    So this process skips the SRD5A enzyme, which is the 5 Alpha Reductase Enzyme that propecia blocks that converts Testosterone into DHT.


    So basically Propecia will do nothing to stop Arom-X from increasing DHT right?
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    You are correct. However the new Arom-X UTT no longer contains androsterone, so this is basically a moot point. Unless of course you have the old version of Arom-X.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    You are correct. However the new Arom-X UTT no longer contains androsterone, so this is basically a moot point. Unless of course you have the old version of Arom-X.


    Thanks for that info, thats great, but i read the ingredients and it contains Aspartame! Aspartame isnt something anybody should be putting in their body, why would you include such a toxic ingredient?
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    Thanks for that info, thats great, but i read the ingredients and it contains Aspartame! Aspartame isnt something anybody should be putting in their body, why would you include such a toxic ingredient?
    am interested in aspartame can you give me links to reports , thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    Thanks for that info, thats great, but i read the ingredients and it contains Aspartame! Aspartame isnt something anybody should be putting in their body, why would you include such a toxic ingredient?
    Flavoring is extremely difficult with these liquids. We went through several prototypes to even get some of them manageable.
    I believe there is very little aspartame in it however I am unsure how much you feel is really toxic. Maybe its an all or nothing though.
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    Btw the majority of protein powders out there contain aspartame. Which brand do you use to avoid it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Btw the majority of protein powders out there contain aspartame. Which brand do you use to avoid it?


    I eat real food now, but there were tons of whey protein powders that i used to use that didnt contain aspartame. There is tons of literature out there that explains how aspartame is toxic and the amount doesnt matter to me, would you eat a small amount of poison just because its a small amount?
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    I eat real food now, but there were tons of whey protein powders that i used to use that didnt contain aspartame. There is tons of literature out there that explains how aspartame is toxic and the amount doesnt matter to me, would you eat a small amount of poison just because its a small amount?
    well, anything in mass quantities can kill you.. even water, that wouldnt keep you from drinking water would it? Its a very small amount of aspartame for flavoring like Royd said, and although I am unsure of what studies you are talking about, it is probably a decent amount of aspartame consumed over a lengthy time that does damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattoopierced1 View Post
    well, anything in mass quantities can kill you.. even water, that wouldnt keep you from drinking water would it? Its a very small amount of aspartame for flavoring like Royd said, and although I am unsure of what studies you are talking about, it is probably a decent amount of aspartame consumed over a lengthy time that does damage.

    Sorry man thats total BS. Your body is made 80% of water i drink overhalf my body weight in ounces which is a lot more than your 8 glasses per day and it does nothing but benefit my health. Pure natural spring water is one of the healthiest things on the planet to compare it with aspartame is embarrasing on your part and absolutely ridiculous. I can eat organic fruits and vegetables all day long 10 pounds of it untill i was so full i throw up, and it would do my body absolutely no harm and my cells no harm. Too much water doesnt kill you because water is toxic, ANY fluid in too high amounts will kill you because it overfloods your body.



    I would gladly try your product if it didnt contain aspartame which even an eneducated idiot has heard is a bad chemical for your body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superone View Post
    Sorry man thats total BS. Your body is made 80% of water i drink overhalf my body weight in ounces which is a lot more than your 8 glasses per day and it does nothing but benefit my health. Pure natural spring water is one of the healthiest things on the planet to compare it with aspartame is embarrasing on your part and absolutely ridiculous. I can eat organic fruits and vegetables all day long 10 pounds of it untill i was so full i throw up, and it would do my body absolutely no harm and my cells no harm. Too much water doesnt kill you because water is toxic, ANY fluid in too high amounts will kill you because it overfloods your body.



    I would gladly try your product if it didnt contain aspartame which even an eneducated idiot has heard is a bad chemical for your body.
    I'm not comparing it to anything, just stating, that too much of anything can kill you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

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    Superone, arom-x is clearly not for you. But you might want to check out SNS's ATD product called inhibit e. Its an encapsulated product that I don't believe has any added sweetners.
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    This might be a dumb question. But I do great with the old cap form of arom-x at 1 cap a night 2 max ever. Tried 3 caps for a week but it killed my weiner. How much should I take of the new liguid? I don't use any prohormones or anything like that I just use it to reduce armotase as part of a natural test boosting regimen along with Diesel Test Hardcore. I this a good idea?
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    You could definitely stack it with a product like DTHC. Start with 1ml/night. I actually do this myself and it treats me well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    You could definitely stack it with a product like DTHC. Start with 1ml/night. I actually do this myself and it treats me well.
    Ive actually seen alot of this paticular stack going on.
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    i have the old version, and heres a tip. stack old version aromx with td formestane-you will thank me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i have the old version, and heres a tip. stack old version aromx with td formestane-you will thank me.
    Curious, how would you dose these two, sounds like a BEASTLY combination as well as libido killer lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    Curious, how would you dose these two, sounds like a BEASTLY combination as well as libido killer lol.
    just the opposite, libido is beastly. 2pumps/2caps, 2xday. strength/energy/alpha male/libido/ you name it. i just wish i would have found aromx before they discontinued it. i would love to find bulk androsterone powder to add to td formestane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    just the opposite, libido is beastly. 2pumps/2caps, 2xday. strength/energy/alpha male/libido/ you name it. i just wish i would have found aromx before they discontinued it. i would love to find bulk androsterone powder to add to td formestane.
    I have another bottle, hint hint. I just can not handle anndrosterone well, I prefer the UTT since its pure ATD. So I assume 50mg of form with 4 caps spread of Arom-x. Is this correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    I have another bottle, hint hint. I just can not handle anndrosterone well, I prefer the UTT since its pure ATD. So I assume 50mg of form with 4 caps spread of Arom-x. Is this correct?
    i would start at 2pumps form/1 cap aromx 2xday. i have a high tolerance and there is no need to do more than needed. you can always increase. give it a shot and let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i would start at 2pumps form/1 cap aromx 2xday. i have a high tolerance and there is no need to do more than needed. you can always increase. give it a shot and let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    just the opposite, libido is beastly. 2pumps/2caps, 2xday. strength/energy/alpha male/libido/ you name it. i just wish i would have found aromx before they discontinued it. i would love to find bulk androsterone powder to add to td formestane.
    I want to say some of the retailers still carry the old Arom-x. I'm not certain so you may have to look around.
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