1-Andro, 4-ad Stacking Question

[manifesto]

Alright so I just picked up two bottles of 1-Andro, and 2 bottles of 4-ad. I also picked up 1 bottle of Arom-X.

How can I combine these to get the most out of them. Also, why do I see some logs where people are taking Arom-X while on cycle? I thought this was mainly for PCT, and why would one need it on cycle if 1-andro does not aromatize?

EDIT: I can get more of any of these to optimized this cycle.

 

[manifesto]

Hey guys I just came across the "Advanced Anabolic Pyramid Stack" on your page. I will be doing some more shopping so I will have 3 bottles of each to complete this stack. Do you guys think this will be the best to stack these?

Also, i was still wondering why some are using arom-x on cycle?

 

[tattoopierced1]

you wont need AromX on cycle unless you have some gyno issues pop up. Most people use AromX on cycle with the 1Andro to combat some of the sides that come along with it, however, with stacking 4AD this wont be an issue.

Enjoy bro!

 

[manifesto]

Tatt do you think there is any need to make any tweaks to the pyramid plan you guys have already laid out?

Also, is this stack going to use all three bottles? Wont there be some left....i think my math is right...

EDIT: I think there will be like 12 caps left or something...not a big deal jus wondering.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

My next experiment will be to stack them the same way the chart lists but to start the 1-Androsterone 1 week earlier then the 4-AD. Then you'll obviously be running the 4-AD solo for a week at the end. (7 weeks total)

 

[dg806]

My next experiment will be to stack them the same way the chart lists but to start the 1-Androsterone 1 week earlier then the 4-AD. Then you'll obviously be running the 4-AD solo for a week at the end. (7 weeks total)

I'm torn on running 4/day for 6 weeks or 5/day for 4wks. Also thinking of adding some decavol with it to make it interesting!

 

[JOHNJESSICA20]

My next experiment will be to stack them the same way the chart lists but to start the 1-Androsterone 1 week earlier then the 4-AD. Then you'll obviously be running the 4-AD solo for a week at the end. (7 weeks total)

Running the 4-AD solo for final week is great idea.

 

[manifesto]

So guys I was wondering...If i follow the pyramid plan I will still have like 12 caps left at the end?

 

[Royd The Noyd]

So guys I was wondering...If i follow the pyramid plan I will still have like 12 caps left at the end?

Yes, you could technically go 4 more days at 3 caps if you wanted.

 

[manifesto]

Thanks Noyd, also the question was raised in another thread as to why the 1-andro is tapered down at the end on this stack? Is it because I will have the 4ad?

 

[JOHNJESSICA20]

Thanks Noyd, also the question was raised in another thread as to why the 1-andro is tapered down at the end on this stack? Is it because I will have the 4ad?

Yep, and it will also help to boost that libido if needed...lol

 

[manifesto]

Nice...would you say that a person stacking the 1-andro with 4-ad would notice the effects sooner? And will they be more pronounced?

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Nice...would you say that a person stacking the 1-andro with 4-ad would notice the effects sooner? And will they be more pronounced?

They are different compounds so stacking them does not necessarily cause you to notice effects sooner. They stack well together for several reasons but primarily the 4-AD offsets some of the harsher sides that individuals experience with 1-Androsterone (lethargy, libido, aggressiveness for some). It makes the cycle much more bearable in a way.

 

[manifesto]

Gotcha....thanks noyd

 

[manifesto]

so a quick question....right now I am planning on running the advanced anabolic pyramid stack from your website. The question I have is, why are most people running the 1-andro for like a straight dosage (lets say 6 caps for say 5 weeks? I also noticed that these people don't have 4ad most often. Does the 4d allow me to take less 1-andro and taper towards the end? Just a little confused. I want to get the most out of this.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

so a quick question....right now I am planning on running the advanced anabolic pyramid stack from your website. The question I have is, why are most people running the 1-andro for like a straight dosage (lets say 6 caps for say 5 weeks? I also noticed that these people don't have 4ad most often. Does the 4d allow me to take less 1-andro and taper towards the end? Just a little confused. I want to get the most out of this.

Understandable. The stacking charts on the website are not the be all end all method of using these products. In fact everyone has their own preference. Some believe you can increase blood plasma levels by 'frontloading' with the compound. Our stacking chart illustrates this method. I had a long discussion about this on another forum and really either method can work. You know yourself better then we do of course. My personal preference and something I will like use for my next cycle will be:

Notes on above outline:

The design is so as 1-Androsterone begins to potentially decrease your libido and cause lethargy you up the amount of exogenous testosterone (4-AD in this case) to offset those sides. The 4-AD is used solo during the final week to increase libido even more before entering PCT. Its always much more fun to have a libido going into PCT.

 

[manifesto]

well right now I am in the first week of that pyramid at 5 (1-andro) and 5 (4-ad). Would running 5 perday of both until the bottle runs out be ok? I never really front loaded before with 1-t back in the day....When I saw this pyramid I thought this was what you guys believed was the BEST way to use these products.

 

[manifesto]

5 per day of each will take me to 5 weeks

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Nope that will be perfectly fine. Your going to see good results either way. Suggesting a standard BEST cycle for everyone is difficult considering all the variables and e-distance.

 

[manifesto]

Quick question, if one wanted to reduce estrogen a little while on a cycle of 1-andro(5 caps perday) and 4-ad (5 caps), how much Arom-x should be used on cycle nightly. I am just noticing a little tenderness in my nipples and little puffiness. I might be thinking about it too much but I figure since I have the arom-z, why not?

I am mere looking to reduce some of circulating estrogen.

 

[manifesto]

double post accident

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Quick question, if one wanted to reduce estrogen a little while on a cycle of 1-andro(5 caps perday) and 4-ad (5 caps), how much Arom-x should be used on cycle nightly. I am just noticing a little tenderness in my nipples and little puffiness. I might be thinking about it too much but I figure since I have the arom-z, why not?

I am mere looking to reduce some of circulating estrogen.

I would just start with 2 caps. There is already an anti-estrogen in 4-AD (5mg's of ATD per dap). So your already taking in 25mg's of ATD with your 4-AD.

 

[cmp007]

A friend of mine was looking into this stack as well. I had a question though. I haven't read up much about these but they do seem very mild. Are they a pro hormone like epistane or something along those lines?

 

[Royd The Noyd]

A friend of mine was looking into this stack as well. I had a question though. I haven't read up much about these but they do seem very mild. Are they a pro hormone like epistane or something along those lines?

Yes they are hormonal (like epistane), however they are not methylated.

 

[cmp007]

What is the difference in a methyl and a non methyl. How would the gains vary?

 

[tattoopierced1]

a methyl just puts more strain on the liver. methyl vs. non methyl as far as gains, you'd have to be comparing the same compound, one being a methyl and one being a non methyl..

main purpose of adding the methyl to a steroid is in order to make it much more orally bioavailable by inhibiting the breakdown of the steroid in the liver. These 17aa steroids can be "stronger", but the main purpose of being methylated is too avoid breakdown in the liver which thus makes them much more hepatoxic.

 

[cmp007]

Ah well thanks for the input. A friend of mine was looking into trying this. Hes trying to lean up for the most part but put a little strength and size with it. Would this be good for him to run for him to get the gains he wants? Hes looking into something really mild and thats why hes chosen to go with this.

 

[tattoopierced1]

Ah well thanks for the input. A friend of mine was looking into trying this. Hes trying to lean up for the most part but put a little strength and size with it. Would this be good for him to run for him to get the gains he wants? Hes looking into something really mild and thats why hes chosen to go with this.

I think it would work great. He should log his results on here.

 

[JOHNJESSICA20]

I think it would work great. He should log his results on here.

I 2nd that...lol