Dienedrone and Estrogen related side effects
- 09-29-2008, 12:55 AM
Dienedrone and Estrogen related side effects
This new product from AMS (Dienedrone) has me really interested. I'm thinking about ordering a bottle and starting it at the beginning of my second week of H-drol (currently at 1 week). I'm a bit worried though because I've read somewhere in these forums that it could cause lactation. Gyno is something that has me really worried. I'd like to run a cycle of this stuff but I don't wanna end up with any estrogen related side effects. If it's not supposed to convert to estrogen how is lactation a possibilty. Can anyone out there give me some more knowledge about this product in regards to the benefits and consequences of using it. Thanx.
- 09-29-2008, 07:38 AM
I looked at this to take as it cannot convert to e or dht and was quite eager to get some until.......
In the advertising there is reference to trenbolone so i looked up trenbolone and read enough to put me off it on one site then looked it up on another and it didnt seem se bad.So im not sure what ill do on this
09-29-2008, 01:25 PM
Dienedrone is a unique prohormone that resembles the illegal drug "trenbolone" in structure and function, missing only the 11 double bond. In that respect, it is a very potent anabolic and has very little androgenic effects. This makes it very close to a perfect anabolic for anyone that is looking for clean gains with very little side effects. It cannot turn into estrogen or DHT, so it is very safe to use and is far more anabolic than even testosterone for building muscle. Dienedrone is the perfect anabolic to stack with our other pro-hormones or on its own for lean bulk results.
Dienedrone is a unique prohormone that resembles the illegal drug "trenbolone" in structure and function. It is a very potent hardening anabolic for anyone that is looking for lean, mass gains and cannot convert to estrogen or DHT due to its low androgenic profile, and is far more anabolic than even testosterone for building muscle. I hope this answers your question's if not I will be more than happy to answer any other concerns .
09-29-2008, 01:30 PM
09-29-2008, 01:44 PM
09-29-2008, 10:27 PM
Neither H-drol nor dienedrone have the potential to aromatize. This means no estrogen conversion. This does not necessarily mean that they cannot, or will not cause gyno in users. These particular compounds however would be considered a low risk (as opposed to say DBol) due to the fact that they do not aromatize directly.
As I said before though, the potential to cause gyno is still there. It would be wise to have a SERM available (NOT an anti-aromatase) in the event that gyno symptoms do begin to appear (itchy, puffy nipples, lactation, etc). Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) works wonders in the case of a gyno flare up.
I guess what I'm saying is that the only way to really prevent gyno would be to avoid hormonal products all together. If you do choose to go that route though, I think you've picked some good ones to meet your goals. Good luck.
09-29-2008, 11:17 PM
09-30-2008, 10:59 AM
09-30-2008, 11:19 AM
sounds like an Epi/Dienedrone stack could be in my near future!
Dienedrone/MMV2 would seen to be too harsh on my joints but looks like a great one to go with for less sides. Cissus would be used for sure.
09-30-2008, 06:10 PM
10-07-2008, 12:38 AM
Ok it's about 7 days since my last post. Went to the gym and did chest today. I weighed in at 182 so I've gained some good weight so far. Up to this point I'm on day 14 of my Hdrol (50 mg/day) and I just took my first Diendrone. Gonna do that 25 mg/day until my Hdrol cycle is over than bump it up to 50 mg/day for an extra 2 weeks. My strength is moving back to when I was on Epi. On flat bench I did a couple warm up sets with 135. Then I did 185 for 10 not to failure, 205 for 6 not to failure, 225 for 4 almost to failure, and finished with 245 for 1. I failed on the final set. I'm gonna do legs tommorow so if I have time before work I'll post my squats. Gonna try and keep you guys filled in on my progress because I think Hdrol and Diendrone could turn out to be a real nice combo.
10-07-2008, 11:22 AM
Do you think that you will have better strength gains with this combo vs. the Epi.? sounds like you are doing better. Did you also do a solo run of epi?
10-08-2008, 08:02 PM
10-09-2008, 12:57 AM
10-09-2008, 05:07 AM
10-10-2008, 04:03 PM
10-10-2008, 05:47 PM
10-22-2008, 08:09 PM
Just noticed this added to the nutraplanet lineup. I really like that this product is dosed at 50mg rather than 30mg per cap. Even though its 60 capsules (some others are 90) you still end up getting more product in the long run.
90 caps at 30mg = 2.7g per bottle
60 caps at 50mg = 3g per bottle
I really like this compound. I'm going to have to pick up some of the AMS stuff in the near future.
10-23-2008, 05:43 AM
10-23-2008, 09:05 PM
10-23-2008, 09:23 PM
sides become noticeable and really bad over 100mg, so do not dose above two caps per day. 100mg is more than enough for almost all lifters. sub 225 pounds, don't bother going to 150mg. sides can include shedding, back pumps, calf pumps, elevated blood pressure. this will not shut your libido down in most people.
the good news, is expect strength to go up somewhere around 10% per week, of which 75-90% is easily kept during and after PCT. 2 pounds LBM gains per week is also expected.
aggression happens on this, and it will sneak up on you - though nothing really out of character. more like the things that usually tick you off, will make you say something to the person instead of thinking "its just not worth it".
at 100mg, you should not experience any sides besides blood pressure. me and two of my friends have run tren at 90mg, all of us were different sizes, none of us had any sides besides blood pressure. hope this helps.
10-23-2008, 09:26 PM
10-23-2008, 09:39 PM
mentioned in my above post.
also, you had better be drinking 1 gallon of water on this, or you'll FEEL dehydrated.
10-26-2008, 10:26 AM
11-05-2008, 06:39 PM
11-07-2008, 12:30 PM
11-07-2008, 01:36 PM
11-11-2008, 01:07 AM
im on day 10 without pct,i notice major agression earlier in first 2 weeks as well as my sex drive which was just insane at moments(i couldnt get certain thoughts out of my head at the workplace which made it impossible to concetrate),calf pumps every 3-5 days,always after 10-15 mins of walking,i had to stop and sit around messaging them and even then after 5 mins of rest walking was painfull,i never noticed increased shedding and im going bald,weight gain was 10 pounds but it seems i didnt want to hold it as im not the bigest eater.after the cycle i weighed the same,hovever theirs more mass on my shoulders,chest,and my abs have more definition,my lifts all wernt up about 10 pounds,ive done 2 cylcels of havoc and the sides on this for calf pumps were the worst.good for a recomp.
edit:i took 3 caps a day,any my libido is fine,only negative is that even a week after i still get calf pumps.
11-11-2008, 07:29 PM
I would have definatley ran some type of pct to get your natural test flowing again and also it would have helped you to keep most of your gains.
11-11-2008, 08:33 PM
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