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    Quote Originally Posted by jiggero View Post
    PA, has anyone ever approached you regarding making a large quantity of Methyltrienolone?

    solid question, imho.

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    a while back. really not interested

    i can dig it; i have respect for your humility.
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    if someone wanted it that bad they could get it from china
    If someone wanted almost anything bad enough, they could likely get it in China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    If someone wanted almost anything bad enough, they could likely get it in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiggero View Post
    PA, has anyone ever approached you regarding making a large quantity of Methyltrienolone?
    It's a bit complex, depending on the starting materials. A legal analog was proposed to me for a company, independent of Epharm of course. Initial studies show that it's too labor-intensive for someone with limited free time on his hands to do, moreover, the propensity for federal pound me in the ass prison time is too high.
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    I laffed pretty hard at this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    It's a bit complex, depending on the starting materials. A legal analog was proposed to me for a company, independent of Epharm of course. Initial studies show that it's too labor-intensive for someone with limited free time on his hands to do, moreover, the propensity for federal pound me in the ass prison time is too high.I laffed pretty hard at this...
    If you start with trenbolone its not that hard. You protect C3 as something like an oxime or semicarbazide, then oxidize C17 using oppenauer oxidation. Then methyl grignard followed by deprotection of C3
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    0wned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    If you start with trenbolone its not that hard. You protect C3 as something like an oxime or semicarbazide, then oxidize C17 using oppenauer oxidation. Then methyl grignard followed by deprotection of C3
    I was looking more into an acetal which required TMS-protected ethylene glycol (thanks to the enone) and the use of TMSOTf as a lewis acid. Never thought to look at oximes or any other functional group other than dithianes. However, using IBX, Hg amalgam, or I2 as deprotectants wasn't my idea of a fun time. Good idea is good though. I like the Barbier reaction better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    I was looking more into an acetal which required TMS-protected ethylene glycol (thanks to the enone) and the use of TMSOTf as a lewis acid. Never thought to look at oximes or any other functional group other than dithianes. However, using IBX, Hg amalgam, or I2 as deprotectants wasn't my idea of a fun time. Good idea is good though. I like the Barbier reaction better

    why? why take a simple method with cheap reagents and do all that?
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    Why not just react trenbolone with methyl iodide
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungJD View Post
    Why not just react trenbolone with methyl iodide

    i dont think they would react bro
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    Damn my off week this week back to the books
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    good luck with your studies, friend.
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    PA, can i be your guinea pig?
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    PA, can i be your guinea pig?
    Let me here u squeal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    Let me here u squeal
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    Aintry?? That river dont go to Aintry!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Deliverance Moment

    memories of yer youth eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    memories of yer youth eh?
    how did I know you'd go there ...lol poor Ned Beatty
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    it's been a long time since i've seen Deliverance, friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bossman523 View Post
    it's been a long time since i've seen Deliverance, friends.
    Well it's time to watch it again, so that you know what you're in for.
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    can we watch it together, friend?

    PA, i am reading Game of Shadows and guess whose name is mentioned before the first chapter even begins?!! you can only imagine how giddy with excitement i was to read about our very own "Renegade Chemist". Do you consider yourself a Renegade? it seems like a bunch of sensationalism to me.
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    Pat....where are you?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bossman523 View Post
    can we watch it together, friend?

    PA, i am reading Game of Shadows and guess whose name is mentioned before the first chapter even begins?!! you can only imagine how giddy with excitement i was to read about our very own "Renegade Chemist". Do you consider yourself a Renegade? it seems like a bunch of sensationalism to me.

    the book said i was losing my hair because of steroids. i dunno where they got that from, the authors had seen me in person

    books like that often have details made up to fill in gaps and make things more juicy. its just as much entertainment than it is documenatry
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    Pat....where are you?!

    at my computer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the book said i was losing my hair because of steroids. i dunno where they got that from, the authors had seen me in person

    books like that often have details made up to fill in gaps and make things more juicy. its just as much entertainment than it is documenatry
    Sounds like total BS. If you aren't already going to get MPB steroids can't cause it. Tren can thin your hair pretty bad but it comes back.
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    at my computer
    Is he beginning to scare you yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the book said i was losing my hair because of steroids. i dunno where they got that from, the authors had seen me in person

    books like that often have details made up to fill in gaps and make things more juicy. its just as much entertainment than it is documenatry

    i don't particularly like or agree with the way you are portrayed in the book, to be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiggero View Post
    Is he beginning to scare you yet?

    oh, Jiggero. i am harmless
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    Pat I noticed a lot of weird/off the wall questions in this topic. Can this be one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Pat I noticed a lot of weird/off the wall questions in this topic. Can this be one?
    Could it be that Pat has groupies? ?
    Just like the Beatles. LOL
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    Pat was the fifth Beatle.
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    had a good am workout today. i feel like a real man. gonna go over to the other gym in a little bit and have another workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bossman523 View Post
    had a good am workout today. i feel like a real man. gonna go over to the other gym in a little bit and have another workout.


    u are doing it all wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u are doing it all wrong
    You used to be able to get away with that back in the days of Ergopharms 1-Ad..
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    Substrate Solutions. !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u are doing it all wrong

    Please enlighten me
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    i really had two 1/2 workouts, guys. don't be so alarmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bossman523 View Post
    i really had two 1/2 workouts, guys. don't be so alarmed.

    so u trained arm at one gym, and arm at another
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    well, i went up the street to start my workout at planet fitness, then i went home and lounged about and had a protein shake, then i went to Gold's and finished my workout.
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