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  1. Quote Originally Posted by tilldeath View Post
    well, I'm currently about to start my Labtech program and will have a medical lab tech certification and BA in applied science. That said I haven't worked in a lab so not really sure what to except as far a a learning curve. I suspect though I would like to get into research field at some point.

    a medical lab is not a chemistry lab. and you wont be doing chemical synthesis.

    u will learn stuff but you wont learn the stuff we are talking about. but why do u want to know chemical synthesis anyway? to sound cool?
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  2. i would like to sound cool, Pat.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by tilldeath View Post
    well, I'm currently about to start my Labtech program and will have a medical lab tech certification and BA in applied science. That said I haven't worked in a lab so not really sure what to except as far a a learning curve. I suspect though I would like to get into research field at some point.
    not the mama


    You need a certain amount of knowledge and "mojo" as some people call it. I'm a few months from my Ph.D. in synthetic organic chemistry, so I deal with reactions and mechanisms all day. Two problem sessions a week, daily reading, two group meetings, etc. It's very tedious and you'll never be an amazing chemist, no offense, but if it helps don't consider myself amazing by any means either. Pat also went to grad school for the same awhile ago. I can't remember if he mastered out or just left, but I think he ended up in NJ, yes? Eventually settled with what he currently does, which is probably a bit more than one would realize. Just undergrad organic will not help with anything and steroid synthesis is kind of a niche corner of organic chemistry, most of it being developed through the 70s it seemed. Still some people do it, but not a ton... it's like carbohydrate chemistry. Kinda boring and old.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    a medical lab is not a chemistry lab. and you wont be doing chemical synthesis.

    u will learn stuff but you wont learn the stuff we are talking about. but why do u want to know chemical synthesis anyway? to sound cool?
    This. It's not that glamorous as you may think it is. It's tedious and ridiculous, honestly. I've been effing around with the same system the past 2-3 years and I'm sick of it. I can't wait till it's over. It's mostly hard work and often repetitive.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by bossman523 View Post
    i would like to sound cool, Pat.

    ok repeat after me

    fer shizzle my pi electron cloud
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  5. k. wat?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    a medical lab is not a chemistry lab. and you wont be doing chemical synthesis.

    u will learn stuff but you wont learn the stuff we are talking about. but why do u want to know chemical synthesis anyway? to sound cool?
    For me it's nothing more than a hobby more than likely, but I find it very interesting. The only thing I have ever messed with is extracting DMT via acid/base extraction. That kind of spraked it and the world of PH's and chemical bonds I find interesting. I may if nothing else just take Oganic chem and a few other courses in my spare time to gain some knowledge.
    Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me. Micah 7:8

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    not the mamaYou need a certain amount of knowledge and "mojo" as some people call it. I'm a few months from my Ph.D. in synthetic organic chemistry, so I deal with reactions and mechanisms all day. Two problem sessions a week, daily reading, two group meetings, etc. It's very tedious and you'll never be an amazing chemist, no offense, but if it helps don't consider myself amazing by any means either. Pat also went to grad school for the same awhile ago. I can't remember if he mastered out or just left, but I think he ended up in NJ, yes? Eventually settled with what he currently does, which is probably a bit more than one would realize. Just undergrad organic will not help with anything and steroid synthesis is kind of a niche corner of organic chemistry, most of it being developed through the 70s it seemed. Still some people do it, but not a ton... it's like carbohydrate chemistry. Kinda boring and old.This. It's not that glamorous as you may think it is. It's tedious and ridiculous, honestly. I've been effing around with the same system the past 2-3 years and I'm sick of it. I can't wait till it's over. It's mostly hard work and often repetitive.
    you are doing reactions that are far more complex than anything i could get into for practical reasons, because anything I am going to make has to be economical and done on a scale which is impractical for techniques such as chromatographic purification. I need high yield and reagents which are not too expensive and toxic. When i look at a synthesis i can immediately tell if its something that has a possibility to be scaled up and 9 times out of 10 its not
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by tilldeath View Post
    For me it's nothing more than a hobby more than likely, but I find it very interesting. The only thing I have ever messed with is extracting DMT via acid/base extraction. That kind of spraked it and the world of PH's and chemical bonds I find interesting. I may if nothing else just take Oganic chem and a few other courses in my spare time to gain some knowledge.

    thats not even synthesis. its just a little more complicated than making coffee
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  9. exactly, that's why I said it was an extract. I looked into synthesizing DMT, but seems a bit over my head and I really don't want to risk anything I would be taking. Off topic and feel free to PM, but any advice on best ways to obtain DMT? Sources for extract have fallen off and while not illegal or impossible to get are difficult to source. Anyways thanks for the info, like I said more curious than anything and always looking for ways to expand my knowledge base.
    Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me. Micah 7:8

  10. Quote Originally Posted by tilldeath View Post
    exactly, that's why I said it was an extract. I looked into synthesizing DMT, but seems a bit over my head and I really don't want to risk anything I would be taking. Off topic and feel free to PM, but any advice on best ways to obtain DMT? Sources for extract have fallen off and while not illegal or impossible to get are difficult to source. Anyways thanks for the info, like I said more curious than anything and always looking for ways to expand my knowledge base.

    try bluelight.ru or something this is not the place for that discussion
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    you are doing reactions that are far more complex than anything i could get into for practical reasons, because anything I am going to make has to be economical and done on a scale which is impractical for techniques such as chromatographic purification. I need high yield and reagents which are not too expensive and toxic. When i look at a synthesis i can immediately tell if its something that has a possibility to be scaled up and 9 times out of 10 its not
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