Nastiest Pro-Hormone/ Pro-Steroid/ Steriod You've Used

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    Hey I know this is going in a slightly different direction but does anyone want to speculate on how bed the sides will be on the new Alpha20 product ( M1A) It has some conversion to M1T but is an active compound on its own.
    I would bet that it gives similar sides. 1-ad and 1-test were pretty indistinguishable
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  2. Havoc! I just did M1T cycle with 4AD. It's sweet! I have more and plan on another run. But Havoc was the worst.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    I would bet that it gives similar sides. 1-ad and 1-test were pretty indistinguishable
    Nice, that is what I was thinking. And thank you for the reply. I appreciate it!
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by BigMfer View Post
    Havoc! I just did M1T cycle with 4AD. It's sweet! I have more and plan on another run. But Havoc was the worst.
    What about Havoc made it unbearable?
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    What about Havoc made it unbearable?
    Havoc made my joints feel dry. The gains were crap. I felt lethargic and just miserable. It was long ago, but I remember saying never again. Is M1T nasty? It can be. Everyone is different. I have run M1T several ways...the worst way is alone! Stack it right and it's good.

  6. Oxadrol-12 by IDS was nasty.
    Never able to complete a cycle (still have 3 boxes). Sides were awful. Ingredients on box label not quite what I believe to be in actual tabs?? This was in the day you could put anything in a tab, and fudge the ingriedient list on the label. Has anything changed?

  7. 40 mgs Epistane gave me horrible anxiety. Always on the verge of a damn anxiety attack and would have a hard time catching my breath.
    Remember why you started.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    40 mgs Epistane gave me horrible anxiety. Always on the verge of a damn anxiety attack and would have a hard time catching my breath.
    It is strange how each persons body reacts different to each compound. I did a 6 week run of epi @ 60mg and found it to be quite mild. I had zero sides and my bp was even.
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  9. remember that whats in the bottle is not always whats on the label, so some of you guys potentially could have bought one thing and actually took something different
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  10. Pretty sure, based on the way I felt, that I took a rat poison/Draino stack.
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  11. Aynone ever experienced any bad sides on Hdrol? From what I've heard its one of the mildest, but just curious.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by chico1 View Post
    Aynone ever experienced any bad sides on Hdrol? From what I've heard its one of the mildest, but just curious.
    Yes, I got delayed gyno after a h drol cycle... Most likely because of the bunk research chems I used for pct

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73 View Post
    Yes, I got delayed gyno after a h drol cycle... Most likely because of the bunk research chems I used for pct
    Well, what did you use as a PCT? If you used an AI, then it's not bunk research chems but more like you're an idiot.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    Well, what did you use as a PCT? If you used an AI, then it's not bunk research chems but more like you're an idiot.
    I used a serm. Nolva

  15. Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73 View Post
    I used a serm. Nolva
    Well you have to look at the obvious... did you use testosterone with this? If not, then you're just asking for trouble in the first place. Little to no circulating test exacerbates side effects massively; that's why I hate these PH/DS only cycles that people run and bitch about all the negatives they feel. Shyt, even test at 150mg/week would have helped. Either way, I don't like using tamox so I cannot comment on what I've felt and/or blood facts from my experience. The question you need to ask yourself though is at what dose are you running a SERM when you have no test circulating? Do you understand the pharmacokinetics of tamox? Or are you just taking the off-the-shelf ebro recommendation of tamox use? As my understanding, HD use and PCT was easier than drinking water, however I believe that HD tends to increase estrogen so AI use in tandem with clomid could have been a viable option if you had used it properly. In the end, it's hard to rationalize an ending of story with a fragment. It could be bunk shyt, it could be you, or it could be a million other things.
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  16. ^^^ good post :thumb:


    Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73 View Post
    Yes, I got delayed gyno after a h drol cycle... Most likely because of the bunk research chems I used for pct
    Plenty of ppl had issues with CEL mdrol, not so much hdrol.

    I think superdrol is generally mild in regards to sides, but I only ever used IML products - so it appears the purity of the source counts for much. Oh, I would always run it with test.

    Tren? Jesus. Love-hate. I keep my doses well low, like 40mg ED and run for a Max of 6 weeks. It rockets my libido but fks with my sleeping. Post tren depression is a bitch

  17. Tren scares me.
    Remember why you started.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Ceredumbellum View Post
    Methyl-1-Testosterone (M1T). I also recall P.A. saying that M1T was the nastiest anabolic/ androgenic agent he had ever tried in terms of side-effects.
    that's pretty apt description..most powerful for benefits, and worst ever for sides, simultaneously
    (hmm maybe there's a connection?)
    blew you up quicker than anything, and you deflated afterwards almost as quickly
    horrible stuff, devil on this earth..but i don't do well with methylated product anyway


    Quote Originally Posted by BigMfer View Post
    Havoc made my joints feel dry. The gains were crap.
    you were taking havoc for "gains"?

  19. I miss. Kilosports Trenadrol
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Tren scares me.
    Hope this is sarcastic...

    tren or gtfo
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    Hope this is sarcastic...

    tren or gtfo
    Really?? Guess I better GTFO cuz I can't hang with BJ.
    Remember why you started.

  22. Haven't checked to see if anyone has mentioned EQ yet. I got amazing results but it left me so lethargic all I wanted to do was sleep. I was taking 100mg of Ephedrine a day while on that stuff just to push through.

  23. Damn, really? I didn't think it got much milder than EQ!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    you were taking havoc for "gains"?

    I gained 16lbs and 180lbs on my big 3 lifts on a 6 week run. Never going over 50mg. Will run again.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Captn_the View Post
    Damn, really? I didn't think it got much milder than EQ!
    I've heard it can give ridiculous anxiety issues, and it's a really long ester so it takes a while to clear. Nothing to do but hold on

  26. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    I've heard it can give ridiculous anxiety issues, and it's a really long ester so it takes a while to clear. Nothing to do but hold on
    I think it's an issue if you're prone to anxiety. It's the same with anger issues and tren :coffee:

  27. wow patrick that is intense. how much of the stuff did you run? same results on the lowest dose too? scary

  28. Tren gave me anxiety that lasted 3-4 months after cycle even with a proper pct and acne that landed me at the dermatologist plus terrible chest pains.

    11-oxo not that it was harsh at all just makes me feel miserable, like a heavyness in my head feeling, and tired plus it leaves me looking flat and worst off before i took it. I read one other person who said the same thing here:

    Hated It By: Garrett

    Review posted on: Sat Feb 12 2300 -0500 2011
    While taking this product, I became tired and irritable. In addition to bad mood, my joints hurt and I lost fullness. I stopped taking 11-oxo after about 1 week. I tried taking it again a few weeks later but at a lower dose and started to experience the same side effects.

    At least i wasnt the only one lol.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by ericool007 View Post
    Tren gave me anxiety that lasted 3-4 months after cycle even with a proper pct and acne that landed me at the dermatologist plus terrible chest pains.

    11-oxo not that it was harsh at all just makes me feel miserable, like a heavyness in my head feeling, and tired plus it leaves me looking flat and worst off before i took it. I read one other person who said the same thing here:

    Hated It By: Garrett

    Review posted on: Sat Feb 12 2300 -0500 2011
    While taking this product, I became tired and irritable. In addition to bad mood, my joints hurt and I lost fullness. I stopped taking 11-oxo after about 1 week. I tried taking it again a few weeks later but at a lower dose and started to experience the same side effects.

    At least i wasnt the only one lol.

    bumskis
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    bumskis
    any reason why 11-oxo would affect me like that or you think im just one of the few unluckys lol.
  

  
 

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