PA and the future of sports supplements in America....
- 03-03-2013, 01:08 AM
PA and the future of sports supplements in America....
With everything that has happened over the past 10 years in the sports supplement industry, where do you see it 10 years from now?
Starting with the Ephera ban and throughout the ban on pro-hormones, the government's public crucifixion of you, the steroid witch hunts and now the possiblity of future (pending?) legislation, it seems like what a lot of us love and are passionate about has taken a helluva beating and is on the ropes. Do you think the industry can survive and possibly even thrive once again like it did in the eary - mid 2000's? I've always considered those to be the glory days of the sports supplement industry. You could walk into any supplement store and buy your favorite Ephedra based fat burner (when fat burners were still effective), the pro-hormone of your choice (1-AD was the sh.i.t) and an effective anti-e/ anti-a if you wanted. Companies were making money hand over fist because the products they were selling were effective. It seems like, anymore, when something effective is introduced to the market it isn't very long before it is yanked or an attempt to yank it is made (DMAA anyone?). I know hormonal based products are, for the most part, a thing of the past and the only way to get an ECA stack is to go to the pharmacy and build your own, but do you think the industry can rebound and be as great as it was in those days? And if so, what category or type of product do you think holds the most promise for the future of sports supplements?
- 03-08-2013, 05:20 PM
I wish i knew the answer. Hormone products will slowly be margianlized out of exist either by civil lawsuits, FDA enforcement, or legistlation effectively making them controlled
stimulants that work may all eventually be banned if they become popular
you will not see a time like 2000s againAnabolicminds.com Featured Author
03-09-2013, 04:51 AM
03-09-2013, 02:57 PM
Dietary Supplements are their competition. The FDA/Politicians are owned by Big Pharma. Put two and two together.
03-09-2013, 03:36 PM
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03-09-2013, 08:14 PM
03-09-2013, 10:58 PM
i dont think hormone supplements being yanked made a bit of difference to pharm industry. ephedra being yanked may have made some bit of difference
there are 100 senators and 435 members in the house. Many of them not involved in the big deal issues. Its attractive for some of these folks to take on little causes that give them attention and make them look like heroes.
Anabolicminds.com Featured Author
03-09-2013, 11:01 PM
03-10-2013, 03:21 AM
So we lose hormonal based supplements as well as the only real fat burner that worked, due in large part to the a-holes in the media and politicians who needed something to make them look good to the ignorant masses (the majority of which couldn't tell you the difference between pro-hormones and Ephedra).
Let's look at Major League Baseball... Does anybody really think it's better and more entertaining now than it was 10 years ago? McGuire and Sammy Sosa brought the sport back from the dead with their home run race. I'll never forget it. It was one of the greatest MLB seasons I've had the privelage to follow in my life. Now we're lucky to see a guy hit 45 HR's in a season and if someone hits 50+ he's automatically a "guilty until proven innocent" steroid user. I'm just waiting for the NFL to get their HGH testing program finalized that they've been pushing for years now. Barring a miracle it will be implemented soon..... and it will completely destroy the sport. How else do they think these guys are able to have 10+ year careers and bounce back from injuries so quick? Not to mention the weekly beating their bodies' take. Great idea there! Let's willingly destroy the greatest sport in the world (apologies to you soccer fans). If, or more realistically when, it does happen I believe a 5+ year career for a non-quarterback or kicker will become a rareity and the most popular sport in America will be ruined.
Alright, my rant's over. My apologies for carrying on like that and getting off topic a bit. I don't typically like when others go off with really long posts and try not to do so myself, but I just had to get that off my chest. I'm not even going to get into their crucifixion of P.A.... That whole thing was a thoroughly disgusting display on behalf of our wonderful government, with them patting themselves on the back the entire time for a job well done. And of course you had the media showering them with lavish praise from day 1 for getting that "evil steroid guy".
Wouldn't it be nice if they would just leave us all the F alone and let us do our thing (which harms exponentially fewer people than prescription or even OTC drugs)...? But we all know that's not going to happen. No, they won't stop until the only things left at our disposal are multivitamins and possibly a few protein supplements (if we're lucky).
03-10-2013, 10:14 AM
In their eyes if there are 314 million American citizens, that's 314 million potential customers... "How can we target each and every one"?
For one you can make up fake diseases/illnesses and convince the average American they are sick and need this new medicine. Two, we can actually make sure they are sick and rely on pharm medicine to feel better.
Right now my joints are killing me. I actually use Joint Force, R3, Super Cissus, high doses fish oil, MSM, Glucosamine, etc. And it helps! If I didn't have access to these I'd have no choice but to be pounding down Pfizer's Advil for relief.
Not to mention people who have lowered cholesterol / bp without statins and instead had success with phytosterols, DHA/EPA, vitamin E, etc.
I think they use these DMAA type situations to put a negative light on the nutritional supplement industry as a whole and try and win over public opinion in hopes to enforce more and more regulations, until eventually Vitamin C costs $200 a bottle.
Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
03-10-2013, 12:51 PM
03-14-2013, 06:55 PM
Jason Cholewa, Ph.D., CSCS
03-14-2013, 06:58 PM
But a question for you Pat...I'm a crusty old fella that followed some of your earlier stuff way back...what ever happened to "site specific non-hormonal" product that you were tinkering with?..if I am recalling it correctly I dont know..lol
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