any lean muscle supplements I could take?

[EatMoar]

You can use AM during a bulk, i use 1 scoop in the morn and currently in a light surplus

Nice thanks.

[murk01]

BCAA, help mantaine muscle when cutting, there are better options, this is the easy and cheap.

..... And chicken breast, plenty of it

[truthornothin]

From the sounds of it Ur-Spray would be perfect for you. It's a non-ph supplement that would work great for a recomp.

Yah! and there is tons of anecdotal and scientific evidence to prove it is efficacious. Just do a search on here for UR-Spray and look at some of the logs. All that other stuff....meh!

[pushinweightw]

I concur with the UR-Spray suggestion. I have used 4+ bottles and really like the product.

[AlexErdellan]

they have the potential too, but nearly as bad as the methyls. theyre really the only "prohormones" left on the market becase most everything else is just a methylated steroid. dhea metablites have 2 conversions

Would DHEA metabolites be safe for a 19 year old with proper PCT?

[ThunderHumper]

i wouldnt suggest anything to a 19 year old for the sole fact that your endocrine system is not fully developed and you run the risk of ****ing with it by adding exo hormones to your body

[grandroid828]

Does anybody else feel bad for patrick having to deal with the most basic of questions in the "advanced discussion" thread? Lol

[truthornothin]

Would DHEA metabolites be safe for a 19 year old with proper PCT?

Probably , but I don't like recommending to youngsters, for this reason, you haven't had a chance to see what you can do without hormonal assistance. Work out hard and eat right, when you've plateaued and get stagnant then consider hormonal assistance. That shouldn't be for a long time. At your age your T-levels are high enjoy it while you can

[truthornothin]

I concur with the UR-Spray suggestion. I have used 4+ bottles and really like the product.

I am addicited and refuse to be without it or its brother Pump Spray

[AlexErdellan]

Probably , but I don't like recommending to youngsters, for this reason, you haven't had a chance to see what you can do without hormonal assistance. Work out hard and eat right, when you've plateaued and get stagnant then consider hormonal assistance. That shouldn't be for a long time. At your age your T-levels are high enjoy it while you can

I was just wondering. I probably won't do any anabolics yet cause I'm kind of freaked out at the thought of not growing anymore ever and possibly losing hair. It just pisses me off to see all these bastard kids that have lifted for 6 months already on their 3rd cycle and getting bigger and stronger than me . I'm still keeping up strength wise at least.

[ThunderHumper]

I was just wondering. I probably won't do any anabolics yet cause I'm kind of freaked out at the thought of not growing anymore ever and possibly losing hair. It just pisses me off to see all these bastard kids that have lifted for 6 months already on their 3rd cycle and getting bigger and stronger than me . I'm still keeping up strength wise at least.

just remember, the majority of the kids that do that so quickly arnt just the quitters, but they never learned their basics like how to diet. they will lose it all once they stop. its really soemthing when you can crank out 280 for reps on the bench all natty. the gear user kids will never dream of that strength because they dont know how to trai or eat correctly

[Patrick Arnold]

I was just wondering. I probably won't do any anabolics yet cause I'm kind of freaked out at the thought of not growing anymore ever and possibly losing hair. It just pisses me off to see all these bastard kids that have lifted for 6 months already on their 3rd cycle and getting bigger and stronger than me . I'm still keeping up strength wise at least.

in the long run they will probably not reach their full potential as they would have if they had lifted natural for years first

[AlexErdellan]

just remember, the majority of the kids that do that so quickly arnt just the quitters, but they never learned their basics like how to diet. they will lose it all once they stop. its really soemthing when you can crank out 280 for reps on the bench all natty. the gear user kids will never dream of that strength because they dont know how to trai or eat correctly

I agree. Most of the kids my age will take PHs just to bench 225 and not even squat 315 . I actually know of 2 kids who have taken 5 cycles of stuff like Ultradrol and Halovar and still bench around 175. It's pretty sad.

[BigMikeC]

How solid is your diet? I've found that on a cut taking R-ala, chromium, vanadyl sulfate around my large carbs meals was very effective. Natty stack could be a good non ph that works great for recomps..

[Beejis60]

How solid is your diet? I've found that on a cut taking R-ala, chromium, vanadyl sulfate around my large carbs meals was very effective. Natty stack could be a good non ph that works great for recomps..

Chromium and vanadyl are poor supplements. R-ALA, however, is a good recommendation, however I prefer the sodium salt due to its inability to polymerize over time and/or with heat.