Debdrobium extract in this.....
- 01-17-2013, 08:50 PM
- 01-17-2013, 08:56 PM
It's essentially a rehash of what has already been stated here, with links back to Thermolife. Not exactly breaking new ground.
01-17-2013, 09:54 PM
01-21-2013, 08:20 AM
04-19-2013, 06:22 PM
I posted this in another thread, but thought you guys might be interested. I am concerned about the safety of craze,
I bought a tub of craze and love it after my first experience. I've only taken it once so far, took one scoup. The focus it gave me throughout the whole day, especially mentally was amazing, and I felt pumped. I did an aerobic session with it, mostly cardio and I played football with friends. It made me a top performer in the football, and in the gym. I had great focus and energy, so much more than usual.
But I wanted to do my research so basically I just put the ingredients on the tin into wikipedia (I know...) and a few red flags came up. Basically craze works by using PEA with a MAOI to make it potent. This is cool, so far no problem - it'll make your veins contract somewhat and elevate your blood pressure slightly, but I think that's fine. But then I saw it has an analogue of Tyramine in it.
Now Tyramine with an MAOI can be pretty bad. It's all there on wikipedia; " The displacement of norepinephrine (noradrenaline) from neuronal storage vesicles by acute tyramine ingestion is thought to cause the vasoconstriction and increased heart rate and blood pressure of the pressor response. In severe cases, adrenergic crisis can occur."
So this crisis does NOT sound good! I'm hoping the quantities that Craze uses for Tyramine are on the safe side; "When using a MAO inhibitor (MAOI), the intake of approximately 10 to 25 mg of tyramine is required for a severe reaction compared to 6 to 10 mg for a mild reaction"
Also the tyramine with an MAOI can lead to a hypertensive crisis, which sounds even worse. It makes me wonder why bother with Tyramine, why run the risk of those adverse reactions which could seriously affect DS's reputation, why not just stick with Phene and MAOI alone......?
I'm not a scientist, I'm only reporting what I found, but if there are any scientists, chemist kids etc. who could pitch in, it would be very much appreciated, I'm sure by everyone. I'm hoping the Tyr quantities are safe and that I can continue using without any problems.... but long-term health is much more important than short term gains, I think everyone values their life more than their muscles......
So an ingredient list verses what I found out from wiki:
the ingredients list an analogue of PEA (there are a few analogues of PEA in the list) - which is somewhat related to amphetamines, but is a separate class completely to be fair;
n-dimethyl-b-phenylethylamine - which is Hordenine (the MAOI present)
N-Methyltyramine (NMT) - the analogue of Tyramine which is very similar and where the problem(s) could be found......
And there's one called N-Diethyl-B-Phenylethylamine, which I couldn't really find much info on...... Science peeps?
Remember, I am not a scientist, I am only reporting what I've read. I hope to be proved wrong so I can go back to taking Craze without worrying, so please chime in anyone and everyone with your thoughts, but let's try to keep it objective...
If there are any scientists please, I'd very much like to hear from you.
Ok I'll leave it there.
04-19-2013, 06:24 PM
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04-19-2013, 06:46 PM
04-19-2013, 08:24 PM
Lol you guys scared of craze must be stim noobs, I was taking the original nasty ass grape stuff at 2 scoops with 25mg ephedrine hcl and feeling great and zoned in, almost comparable to adderal
I think a lot of the speculators must be stim sensitive
04-19-2013, 09:44 PM
Hordenine isn't a MAOI at all, although N-diethyl-b-PEA could be considered an exceptionally weak MAOBi.
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