Been reading a lot of your technical comments and want to thank you for providing a valuable insight into this mysterious world of supplements. I'm not a chemist and a lot of it goes over my head, but that which I can understand is valued and appreciated.
I've asked the following question on bb.com and nobody (in particular anyone from DS) has offered any explanation and I believe it to be important as EC seems to be the gold standard for what it does, as does Craze (pending clarification of the lawsuit of course).
My question is
What ingredient on Craze makes it in advisable to stack with EC in the same day. I'm not suggesting stacking them together at the same time - that would be madness and possibly suicide - but a daily protocol of say
0530 - Craze PWO (I workout at around 0615)
1130 - EC (24mg ephedrine HCl, 200mg caffeine)
1730 - EC
The two are 6 hours apart, but this still provokes caution. If its not the caffeine (600mg per day total assuming no other caffeine ingestion), then what is it in Craze that can adversely effect the mechanisms of Ephedrine which can lead to danger?
My apologies if this has already been asked - if Craze is to continue to be sold and as popular as it is a present, then I'm sure I'm not gonna be the only one with this issue when it comes to cutting.
Many thanks and keep up the sterling work.
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Yes, but WHY?
All I get is this reply but no specifics...
Too many stims . Think heart attack and you know why it's a bad idea
"Strive to seize the initiative in all things"
How does it differ from 3 x EC though?
Is craze THAT potent?
Thanks. I will.
A more technical reason than that would've been appreciated though.
Thanks for the reply. I've been reading the Craze "lawsuit" thread and reps to you for at least trying to figure it out. I'll keep an eye on it for developments.Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
Mean time, I'll not use Craze and EC on the same day.
I see it as being individual dependent, I am taking dexaprine and ephedrine/clen (off/on) and my BP/heart rate are entirely fine. That being said, be careful, start with half a dose.
"No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training...what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." - Socrates
Agreed. Actually I have found that EC taken 6 hours from Craze is fine. My BP has actually lowered over a ten day period taken at the same time (just before the first dose of EC) from 128/74 to 108/67 with a resting HR of 66 both times.Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal
Having said that I shall keep monitoring. but at the moment, Craze (2 scoops) and 2 doses of EC per day works absolutely fine.
Dude... WAY OVER BOARD... I've used two scoops of craze and 1 Bronkaid before and felt great but dude are you trying to kill yourself?
You know zaxxxon, I experienced the same thing regarding BP. Took two scoops of Craze before work one morning, had a dr appt at noon ( no food) and my bp was lower than it usually would be. I thought that was interesting...Originally Posted by Zaxxxon
Killing myself is obviously not top of my list but with respect, I've had no other tangible answer as to why you can't run Craze and EC like this other thanOriginally Posted by JonRubio
"Dude, you're gonna kill yourself."
Thats not really helpful when I'm suffering no outwardly adverse effects and my BP is fine.
Unless I'm missing something...
When you look at it like that, then you have a very valid point.Originally Posted by madchemist
Assuming DS didn't make this product with their eyes closed, surely somebody knows what's in it and understands its interactions.
If you need to take EC with craze then you probably would be better off taking a break from stimulants.
Can I re-iterate, I DO NOT take EC with Craze, I just replace my first EC of the day with craze and take the second EC at least six hours apart from it.Originally Posted by T-Bone
If Craze was, say, White Flood or Rage, everyone would be saying that these products would be perfectly OK to substitute the first dose of C and include the E.
I take no other stims during the day (drink decaf coffee etc).
The traditional and often encouraged dosage scheme of 3x EC per day is always seen as perfectly OK and safe (if you're careful) but Craze seems to throw up all sorts of sharp intakes of breath.
I'm generally interested as to know why.
It can't be a question that's not been asked before.
Anyway, thanks and respect to all who know better than I. I thoroughly respect your options and knowledge.