Fish and flaxoil hinder bulk???

[xdragon50]

Is it true that supplementing fish oil and flaxseed will hurt bulking?

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

Nope.

 

[mr.cooper69]

No reason to use flax and fish. Fish oil at 3g combined epa/dha daily = good.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Is it true that supplementing fish oil and flaxseed will hurt bulking?

I dont know is it?

 

[staple]

well, this is quite the advanced discussion! :happysad:

 

[Patrick Arnold]

flax doesnt seem to effect weight gain and feed efficiency for cattle or pigs

for poultry it actually seemed to increase lean gain and decrease fat deposition

http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/ansci/beef/as1283w.htm

 

[Linda Albert]

Hi,
Flax has other health benefits from diabetes to cancer but it will not work for weight loss.

 

[OrganicShadow]

One could theorize that the suppression of inflammation from heavy omega-3 doses will inhibiting muscle recovery. Immune response isnt necessarily a bad thing all together. Those macrophages are responsible for eliminating dead tissue to new somatic tissue can grow in its place.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

One could theorize that the suppression of inflammation from heavy omega-3 doses will inhibiting muscle recovery. Immune response isnt necessarily a bad thing all together. Those macrophages are responsible for eliminating dead tissue to new somatic tissue can grow in its place.

and one may theorize that the suppression of inflammation from omega-3 may enhance muscle recovery.

it depends on so many factors and the state of the individual. Practiacally speaking, they probably dont have a substantial influence either way

 

[mr.cooper69]

and one may theorize that the suppression of inflammation from omega-3 may enhance muscle recovery.

it depends on so many factors and the state of the individual. Practiacally speaking, they probably dont have a substantial influence either way

Agreed. Plus, fatty acid balance is far more relevant than reductionist views of a single fatty acid.

 

[schroedes]

from what i understand they can also aid in increasing testosterone

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Agreed. Plus, fatty acid balance is far more relevant than reductionist views of a single fatty acid.

people often concentrate on one variable and make ridiculous conclusions. an example is concentrating on growth hormone release during exercise. if you take that craziness to its extreme than you would conclude that its most advantageous to train while fasted.....of course we know thats not a very beneficial practice in real humans

 

[mr.cooper69]

people often concentrate on one variable and make ridiculous conclusions. an example is concentrating on growth hormone release during exercise. if you take that craziness to its extreme than you would conclude that its most advantageous to train while fasted.....of course we know thats not a very beneficial practice in real humans

But bro...N-Coumaryldopamine is stronger than clen

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

So compound 20 is worth it?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

So compound 20 is worth it?

look what you started cooper


cheezus

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

look what you started cooper

cheezus

I retract my statement PA. Ignore it

Not gonna waste on good Info over c20.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

PA,

If using Clen, is there a taurine dose (mg) to prevent any cardio issues?
When I have taurine in my pre w/o (bulk powder) and 100mcg Clen, I don't get puffed where as Clen BG itself kills my endurance

 

[Patrick Arnold]

PA,

If using Clen, is there a taurine dose (mg) to prevent any cardio issues?
When I have taurine in my pre w/o (bulk powder) and 100mcg Clen, I don't get puffed where as Clen BG itself kills my endurance

this is unresearched territory

 

[bdcc]

But bro...N-Coumaryldopamine is stronger than clen

N-Coumaroyldopamine*

/smug

 

[mr.cooper69]

N-Coumaroyldopamine*

/smug

That was COMT degrading the compound before I even finished typing up its name

 

[Patrick Arnold]

That was COMT degrading the compound before I even finished typing up its name

lol

 

[pyrobatt]

Fish oil is a supplement god. Flax seed oil idk about.Why not use ground flax seeds for the good fats,fiber,calories and health benifits? I dont think it will hinder gains.

 

[Axillist]

There are a few articles out there suggesting that taking Fish Oil regularly, helps suppress appetite. This may be where someone concocted this notion. I wouldn't read too far into it honestly.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Get rid of short chain omega 6s

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Get rid of short chain omega 6s

you cant just get rid of omega 6 fats because they are ubiquitous

u can optimize your omega 3 / omega 6 ratio though

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

you cant just get rid of omega 6 fats because they are ubiquitous

u can optimize your omega 3 / omega 6 ratio though

What i should say...optimal ratio 1:2 1:3

 

[mr.cooper69]

What i should say...optimal ratio 1:2 1:3

Dude, tracking omega 3s and 6s down to the milligram is not worth the trouble. Eat a diet with a balanced fatty acid profile, including even saturated fats in moderation. Take a high epa/dha fish oil supplement if you don't consume fatty fish. Profit

 

[bdcc]

I wonder if this "will fish oil hinder my bulk" stems from recommendations not to take fish oil while on arachidonic acid supplements.

Fish oil increases mTOR.

Dietary omega-3 fatty acid supplementation increases the rate of muscle protein synthesis in older adults: a randomized trial

http://www.ajcn.org/content/93/2/402.long

 

[Patrick Arnold]

What i should say...optimal ratio 1:2 1:3

what are they saying these days?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Dude, tracking omega 3s and 6s down to the milligram is not worth the trouble. Eat a diet with a balanced fatty acid profile, including even saturated fats in moderation. Take a high epa/dha fish oil supplement if you don't consume fatty fish. Profit

this is my philosophy as well. i take fish oil and eat some fish throughout the week and other than that i dont track where my fats are coming from. i figure my supplementation is keeping me within reasonable balance and thats good enough

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Dude, tracking omega 3s and 6s down to the milligram is not worth the trouble. Eat a diet with a balanced fatty acid profile, including even saturated fats in moderation. Take a high epa/dha fish oil supplement if you don't consume fatty fish. Profit

dont be afraid of coconut oil either. It may consist of saturated fats but they are medium chain fats so they get oxidized in the liver preferentially. Part of this process generates ketones, which are great for the brain

 

[Patrick Arnold]

I wonder if this "will fish oil hinder my bulk" stems from recommendations not to take fish oil while on arachidonic acid supplements.

Fish oil increases mTOR.

Dietary omega-3 fatty acid supplementation increases the rate of muscle protein synthesis in older adults: a randomized trial

http://www.ajcn.org/content/93/2/402.long

are people still using arachadonic acid? didnt llewellyn change his view on simulataneous ingestion of omega3s?

 

[bdcc]

are people still using arachadonic acid? didnt llewellyn change his view on simulataneous ingestion of omega3s?

I am not sure if the recommendations have changed or not. I definitely remember this advice being given by MN reps at some point.

It was the idea that skewing my AA:EPA ratio was necessary which turned me off trying it.

They recently started promoting on here again but the one rep I saw was banned a few days after he came back.

 

[mr.cooper69]

I am not sure if the recommendations have changed or not. I definitely remember this advice being given by MN reps at some point.

It was the idea that skewing my AA:EPA ratio was necessary which turned me off trying it.

They recently started promoting on here again but the one rep I saw was banned a few days after he came back.

You can ingest all the EPA/DHA you like, as long as it is spaced as far as possible from your preworkout ArA dose. This is why XFA included omega-3s, but this was a pretty shoddy approach considering that they would competitively inhibit ArA delivery if co-ingested.