Green Coffee Bean

[Royd The Noyd]

I dunno if this threads about gawd or the green coffee bean extract study. But in regards to the study itself i wasn't impressed with some of the methods. A 4% bodyfat loss over 22 weeks in fatty mcfatties is achievable by anyone. They also only asked them if they changed their exercise habits before and after. What about during the 22 weeks?

Finally I think calorie intake fell quite a bit in the last arm of the study (not certain but i vaguely remember that).

[JudoJosh]

Finally I think calorie intake fell quite a bit in the last arm of the study (not certain but i vaguely remember that).

nope



Via the FT

The mechanism(s) of the significant effects of GCA on weight loss, BMI, percent body fat, and heart rate are unknown. There have been some recent articles indicating that chlorogenic acid and its metabolite, caffeic acid, inhibit amylase at mM concentrations in vitro which, if it occurred in the gastrointestinal tract in vivo, would inhibit sugar absorption from starch consumption and thus decrease caloric input. That chlorogenic acid has a significant influence on glucose metabolism was well demonstrated by Rodrigues de Sotillo et al when they were able to demonstrate a significant improvement in glucose tolerance in Zucker rats. This relative deprivation of glucose could possibly explain the reduction in BMI as well as fat content seen in their other rat study and in our human study. Another group has clearly demonstrated that chlorogenic acid may in fact have an antagonistic effect on human glucose transport. Based on the dietary data in our study, the product was not an appetite suppressant. Extracts of green coffee beans inhibited pancreatic lipase in vitro with a 50% inhibitory concentration of 43 μM polyphenols. In support of this result, caffeinated but not decaffeinated coffee supplementation in humans produced a decrease in lipoprotein lipase.

[truthornothin]

my hope is that there is an existence after death. and i hope its a place much different than earth cuz it would totally suck if it was the same

its all hope though, as any evidence towards that is not scientific but merely anecdotal (life after death stories, ghosts, messages from beyond). Of course, by nature it would be hard to find the scientific evidence cuz the dead cant testify

My wish is the same, though there are days, especially lately, where I wish I could simply cease to exist, no longer be or feel...however more often than not "ceasing" is not something I find particularly comforting. I'd like to think we continue to some higher plane of existence....and like Pat I hope that it would not be to much like this existence, but I would hope that you still would recognize the ones that you know and care about as that is all I would really like to carry over from this life

[Royd The Noyd]

nope



Via the FT

Ahhh thanks. Still lots of issues there. Will be interesting to see future research.

[David Dunn]

My wish is the same, though there are days, especially lately, where I wish I could simply cease to exist, no longer be or feel...however more often than not "ceasing" is not something I find particularly comforting. I'd like to think we continue to some higher plane of existence....and like Pat I hope that it would not be to much like this existence, but I would hope that you still would recognize the ones that you know and care about as that is all I would really like to carry over from this life

"You see, without God, without a sense of God in our life, really the only motivation left is to get all we can, while we can. The only two realities for man without God are pleasure and pain. That’s it. That’s how we live our lives: trying to escape pain; trying to pursue pleasure in whatever forms they take. That’s because there’s no higher purpose unless something happens along the way to alter that perspective. That pursuit - that vanity - is imprinted within us because our nature is limited to seeing this life as all that there is."

[truthornothin]

"You see, without God, without a sense of God in our life, really the only motivation left is to get all we can, while we can. The only two realities for man without God are pleasure and pain. That’s it. That’s how we live our lives: trying to escape pain; trying to pursue pleasure in whatever forms they take. That’s because there’s no higher purpose unless something happens along the way to alter that perspective. That pursuit - that vanity - is imprinted within us because our nature is limited to seeing this life as all that there is."

Kind of like your cosmic planarian worm moving from bad stimulus to good

[Whacked]

Welcome to the party slow poke. LOL

"You see, without God, without a sense of God in our life, really the only motivation left is to get all we can, while we can. The only two realities for man without God are pleasure and pain. That’s it. That’s how we live our lives: trying to escape pain; trying to pursue pleasure in whatever forms they take. That’s because there’s no higher purpose unless something happens along the way to alter that perspective. That pursuit - that vanity - is imprinted within us because our nature is limited to seeing this life as all that there is."

[Patrick Arnold]

"You see, without God, without a sense of God in our life, really the only motivation left is to get all we can, while we can. The only two realities for man without God are pleasure and pain. That’s it. That’s how we live our lives: trying to escape pain; trying to pursue pleasure in whatever forms they take. That’s because there’s no higher purpose unless something happens along the way to alter that perspective. That pursuit - that vanity - is imprinted within us because our nature is limited to seeing this life as all that there is."

the reality is that altruism and social consciousness is observed n many non-human species. Of course I cant prove that these species dont believe in a god and and after life, but I presume they dont. Rather such behavior becomes ingrained in some social species over millenia because it offers them a survival advantage

u see, you can explain so much without having to resort to god if you employ rational scientific thinking

[D3Baseball]

epicurianism ITT

[David Dunn]

u see, you can explain so much without having to resort to god if you employ rational scientific thinking

Yet there is so much that cannot be explained. I believe our God exists on or at a dimension beyond the four classics of time and space and we do not have the intellectual capacity to rationalize or substantiate with evidence. My God is beyond our comprehension but that does not mean there is no evidence.

[David Dunn]

Welcome to the party slow poke. LOL

I have grown tired of these over the years. I cannot change a man's mind nor do I attempt to. It's not a matter of the mind it is a matter of the heart. It's not a matter of evidence it is a matter of faith.

The evidence of my heart will always be in conflict with the evidence of my mind. I think therefore I am perpetually conflicted.

[Whacked]

I hear ya

I have grown tired of these over the years. I cannot change a man's mind nor do I attempt to.

[Patrick Arnold]

Yet there is so much that cannot be explained.

probably well over 99 percent of the universe cannot be explained. Not because its supernatural and therefore not explainable by science, but simply because we have not figured it out yet.

[Patrick Arnold]

I have grown tired of these over the years. I cannot change a man's mind nor do I attempt to. It's not a matter of the mind it is a matter of the heart. It's not a matter of evidence it is a matter of faith.

The evidence of my heart will always be in conflict with the evidence of my mind. I think therefore I am perpetually conflicted.

faith is the antithesis of science

i guess i do believe in god. his name is science. and his adversary is faith

[David Dunn]

probably well over 99 percent of the universe cannot be explained. Not because its supernatural and therefore not explainable by science, but simply because we have not figured it out yet.

faith is the antithesis of science

i guess i do believe in god. his name is science. and his adversary is faith

There really is nothing more to discuss.

[Patrick Arnold]

There really is nothing more to discuss.

yeah. as long as your faith doesn't get nuts and interfere with my life then i am fine. thats whats great about america. all religions can co-exist as well as those who choose to reject religion

[David Dunn]

yeah. as long as your faith doesn't get nuts and interfere with my life then i am fine. thats whats great about america. all religions can co-exist as well as those who choose to reject religion

You're an an optimist. I thought there was no longer anything great about America.

Happy Memorial Day!

[truthornothin]

yeah. as long as your faith doesn't get nuts and interfere with my life then i am fine. thats whats great about america. all religions can co-exist as well as those who choose to reject religion

Indeed, Imagine us having this conversation in Iran, several of us would find out for sure if there was a God or not .....via firing squad

[David Dunn]

My wish is the same, though there are days, especially lately, where I wish I could simply cease to exist, no longer be or feel...

"Times Like These"

I am a one way motorway
I'm the one that drives away
then follows you back home
I am a street light shining
I'm a wild light blinding bright
burning off alone

it's times like these you learn to live again
it's times like these you give and give again
it's times like these you learn to love again
it's times like these time and time again

I am a new day rising
I'm a brand new sky
to hang the stars upon tonight
I am a little divided
do I stay or run away
and leave it all behind?

it's times like these you learn to live again
it's times like these you give and give again
it's times like these you learn to love again
it's times like these time and time again

Heard it this morning and it made me think of you.

[D3Baseball]

You're an an optimist. I thought there was no longer anything great about America.

Happy Memorial Day!

Familiarity breeds contempt