
there are predominantly 3 versions of Islam, Sunni, Sh'ia, Wahabbi.
The Qu'ran is unique in that it was not a written tradition, it was a memorized oral tradition. I had a former student who had to move to Lebanon as a young boy to memorize the Qu'ran. Which from my understanding is a fairly common occurrence. That said, the version I have read stated that it was made to look like Jesus, but never mentioned anyone else by name.
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Hmm.. How "Convenient".
Disdain is a strong word Mr. Arnold and I will strongly deny I have a disdain for science. It's a simple question. What can science offer me that is greater than everlasting life? I don't know why you couldn't have sent me a PM and gave me a answer.. Instead you opened it up for everyone to view in this thread about Green Coffee Beans and it escalated into what it has. It wasn't necessary.
The only reason I replied back to your respones is because this is your section and I figure if you want to talk about it openly we can but I never asked for it.
Some of your responses have appeared to be outright childish. Even the way in which you handled the question in my sig. At times you say things to sound "shocking" or "cool" as if we are in grade school. Comments such as "i think i have become a satanist actually".
BTW.. after all has been said.. you still never answered the question. I guess some questions are best answered in silence...
“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life"- John 6:68
WHAT has science offered?
The argument for those that are "believers" is that God can't be understood in the manner that we understand things like science.
If this God is so imperceptible, how do I take messages from Him to live my life? I can acknowledge that I wonder and perhaps even hope for a higher existence and all that (the desires that lead to faith). If there is this God on a different plane of existence that has allowed all of this to occur, where do I find his will? The Bible sure isn't the place. Is the Qu'ran better? Why didn't he translate in an unbiased manner for us?
I can say there may be something bigger than our understanding, but I'm not going to say that I have received understanding. That doesn't make any sense. I can acknowledge this being or whatever you want to call God, but I can't see how this alters my life choices.
this is part of my issue as well. I take issue with theists who repeat time and again "you cannot understand the complexities of god", but then claim "I received a vision/understanding, and I know I have everlasting life" (or something of that ilk. It is a bowl of contradictions which it seems the theist can never answer to . Very sad imo that intelligent folks would use this whole issue as a security blanket. It is like ancient man hearing thunder and saying the gods are angry. When all else fails, its god. It just downright silly.
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It seems we've exhausted this discussion....interesting it was nonetheless....other than a few childish rants!!
In the Qur'an Jesus is called Masih, which translates to Messiah. U must remember what messiah means. It means anointed one. Nothing more.Originally Posted by AE14
I'm not saying ur wrong, but there is room for different interpretationsOriginally Posted by Patrick Arnold
Not in this instance. The linguistic scholars agree that it is not the Christian messiah term, it is equivalent to prophet.Originally Posted by diggyboo
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This is why the Qu'ran is only meant to be read/told in ArabicOriginally Posted by AE14
Wouldn't it be novel to apply that thought to Christian texts?
Not sure I understand what you are getting at regarding Christian texts. I think the translation issue is one that is prevalent in all texts. The OT and NT have lost so much meaning over the years as a result of mistranslations it is now almost impossible to know what was originally intended.Originally Posted by D3Baseball
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Thats exactly what I'm saying. When people say "the bible says..." they don't know what the **** they're talking about.Originally Posted by AE14
And anyone that has studied biblical history has to get a little rosie cheeked when they hear what the actual historical record has to say about some of these events, not to mention the arbitrary way it was all put together.
Anybody who has been shot at believes in God.......
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