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  1. Does anyone know the amount of chlorogenic acid that was used in the studies? Life extension sells 200mg caps standarized to 100mg chlorogenic acid. Best price I've seen at vitacost.com $18.75. 90 caps. Please post links for better prices and higher mg caps.
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    WHAT has science offered?


  2. http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2012/...Extract_04.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    Does anyone know the amount of chlorogenic acid that was used in the studies? Life extension sells 200mg caps standarized to 100mg chlorogenic acid. Best price I've seen at vitacost.com $18.75. 90 caps. Please post links for better prices and higher mg caps.
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  3. WHAT has science offered u ask?


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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post

    WHAT has science offered u ask?


    wrong thread?

  5. No, he's just being PAT

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    wrong thread?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    No, he's just being PAT

    it was in someones sig file. flaw
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  7. This is about to turn into a religion vs. science debate

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    it was in someones sig file. flaw
    ha ok I see it now.

  9. I've started playing with how this will work on a carb-backloading diet if only dosing high in the morning. Only been about two weeks, but we'll see how it goes. I'm down 2 lbs with strength increases, with increased cardio and cals at sedentary maintenance. Not too shabby so far, however I tend to fluctuate in a 5 lb range anyway, so it'll take more time to really tell.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    This is about to turn into a religion vs. science debate
    there is no debate.

    to debate requires rational thinking and there is nothing rational about faith
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    there is no debate.

    to debate requires rational thinking and there is nothing rational about faith
    Lol, couldn't agree more. See my posts in general chat on the subject.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    there is no debate.

    to debate requires rational thinking and there is nothing rational about faith
    ^, a true scientist.

  13. When you can prove that life began without a Creator, hit me up. Otherwise, you have the exact same same faith we Christians do; only with a diametrically opposed view.

    Objectively: An Aestheist's version of creation ("faith" in some spontaneous BOOM) is just as "irrational" to a Christian as my faith in a Creator is to you.

    PS: I'll still need you to priovide "scientific evidence" of what caused the boom too lol


    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    there is no debate.

    to debate requires rational thinking and there is nothing rational about faith
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    When you can prove that life began without a Creator, hit me up. Otherwise, you have the exact same same faith we Christians do; only with a diametrically opposed view.

    Objectively: An Aestheist's version of creation ("faith" in some spontaneous BOOM) is just as "irrational" to a Christian as my faith in a Creator is to you.

    PS: I'll still need you to priovide "scientific evidence" of what caused the boom too lol
    Prove life began with a creator. And don't use words in a book as evidence as I can quickly write down words in a book as well. Prove a higher power exists using reason not based on words out of a book. Because many other faiths have words from different books, so you'll need to prove yours is correct.

    And while we're at it help me understand why someone would give people the ability to think rationally, not provide any rational proof for his existence, and then torture those people for eternity he supposedly loves because they can't get their head around him existing because he gave them reason. Also why does he need so much of my money? And like your signature why do you need to be so fearful of this guy anyways? You really want to worship someone based on fear? Sounds like terrorism to me.

    Damn I said I wasn't going to get in another damn religious debate

  15. Same here LOL

    To answer your question, we could go round and round. I've seen it (and been part of it) on many threads on this board. The end result is always the same. We Christians have faith in our Creator. You Aetheists have faith in your theories for the commencement of life. At the end of the day, neither can prove either conviction to the other party. Faith is faith, no matter the subject. Hence my comment to Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Damn I said I wasn't going to get in another damn religious debate
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    When you can prove that life began without a Creator, hit me up. Otherwise, you have the exact same same faith we Christians do; only with a diametrically opposed view.

    Objectively: An Aestheist's version of creation ("faith" in some spontaneous BOOM) is just as "irrational" to a Christian as my faith in a Creator is to you.

    PS: I'll still need you to priovide "scientific evidence" of what caused the boom too lol
    ok buddy

    who created your creator?
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    ok buddy

    who created your creator?
    I've been stuck on that one for a while lol

  18. physics actually has some explanation on how matter can spontaneously arise from a vacuum

    and its alot more sophisticated than a man with a grey beard deciding to make the universe in a week
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    . You Aetheists have faith in your theories for the commencement of life. At the end of the day, neither can prove either conviction to the other party. Faith is faith, no matter the subject. Hence my comment to Pat


    i disagree. I dont believe in anything that is not supported by evidence. I dont fill in the gaps with faith. I just admit I dont know.

    I suppose if there is anything I have "faith" in it is that if man can develop the intellectual capacity to do so he will be able to explain the entire universe using science and reason

    Unfortunately our brains our limited by our physiology so I dont think our species will ever get to that point
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i disagree. I dont believe in anything that is not supported by evidence. I dont fill in the gaps with faith. I just admit I dont know.

    I suppose if there is anything I have "faith" in it is that if man can develop the intellectual capacity to do so he will be able to explain the entire universe using science and reason

    Unfortunately our brains our limited by our physiology so I dont think our species will ever get to that point
    I admit I do not know as well. I look at it like this. Does a rat know how a plane works? Maybe this is something we will just never understand.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I admit I do not know as well. I look at it like this. Does a rat know how a plane works? Maybe this is something we will just never understand.

    i read something which suggested that we are already pretty much at the limit of our brain power due to constraints on size of brain versus efficiency and speed of neuronal signalling. If our brains get too big then signals take too long to travel and you lose brain power. and you can only jam so much neurons into a brain.

    computers can help us with the number crunching and stuff so that helps, but it could be that some concepts are too complex for one brain to handle
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  22. Well then, you just supported my argument because the very existence of the universe (well, any of the atheistic scientific versions) are just theories; and as a result, not supported by evidence. From your perspective, as a facts-based Atheist, science still needs to provide hard evidence in opposition to a Creator. That day has not come. As a result, how can you be an Atheist based on just theory?
    If anything, Agnostic might fit your position better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i disagree. I dont believe in anything that is not supported by evidence.
    Cool. Well, who created matter and who created vaccuums?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    physics actually has some explanation on how matter can spontaneously arise from a vacuum
    That neither supports your theory of no Creator or mine of a Creator. You already conveyed that our brains are approaching the very limits of ability. Who's to say these computers you referenced which complete the data we as humans cannot extrapolate will not support the existence of a Creator. Isn't that a bit presumptuous? Isn't all of this (both sides) purely speculative and as a result, and by your defintion, "not supported by evidence" not a valid position to be presumptuous about and hence, impossible to take ANY position on?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    and its alot more sophisticated than a man with a grey beard deciding to make the universe in a week
    He's got a beard? If you've seen Him, shouldn't that make you a believer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    and its alot more sophisticated than a man with a grey beard deciding to make the universe in a week
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Well then, you just supported my argument because the very existence of the universe (well, any of the atheistic scientific versions) are just theories; and as a result, not supported by evidence.
    scientific theories are supported by evidence. There are many theories for the origin of the universe and the nature of the universe. None are wholly accepted but they are supported by tons of sophisticated evidence

    religion is not a theory because it does not rely upon empirical evidence. it relies on blind belief in a bunch of contradictory and non-sensical ancient ramblings. To try to put the bible on the same playing ground as sciences such as cosmology and quantum physics is ludicrous

    Sorry, dont mean to sound mean
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post

    Cool. Well, who created matter and who created vaccuums?



    That neither supports your theory of no Creator or mine of a Creator. You already conveyed that our brains are approaching the very limits of ability. Who's to say these computers you referenced which complete the data we as humans cannot extrapolate will not support the existence of a Creator. Isn't that a bit presumptuous? Isn't all of this (both sides) purely speculative and as a result, and by your defintion, "not supported by evidence" not a valid position to be presumptuous about and hence, impossible to take ANY position on?


    To be honest I dont refute or support the existence of a creator. Whatever ones definition of a "creator" is. If there ends up being an explanation for a creator in science than so be it. It hasnt come up though so i see no need to invent one to make myself feel comfy
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Same here LOL

    To answer your question, we could go round and round. I've seen it (and been part of it) on many threads on this board. The end result is always the same. We Christians have faith in our Creator. You Aetheists have faith in your theories for the commencement of life. At the end of the day, neither can prove either conviction to the other party. Faith is faith, no matter the subject. Hence my comment to Pat
    Actually I don't have any faith in anything and I wouldn't consider myself an atheist but an agnostic. I have no clue if a creator exists or not, though admittedly I lean towards the not. I don't actively believe in the existence of heaven or hell really. Honestly if a God exists that is all good I don't think a hell does exist. Any God that would allow people to be tortured for all eternity isn't one I want to worship anyways. I have no idea what the right answer is nor will I ever attempt to say I do.

  26. Pat, don't get weak on me now, your dry ball-breaking hilarious sarcasm married with hardcore, black and white, genuine say it like it is attitude is why I respect you. A rare thing for me on this board as many sell out so easily. Now apologize for being trying to be respectful. It's so unbecoming of you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    Sorry, dont mean to sound mean
    Back OT please............
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  27. Geo: If that's you in the avatar, I'm gonna mind my P's and Q's for my own safety. If not, I'm about to own ur azz. LOL (j/k!)

    On a serious note, I can appreciate yours and the perspective Pat just relayed as well. It's the convicted Atheists adamant that there is no God that get to me. Like, how can you be so sure, where is the proof? Many of these cats aren't like the Pat Arnold's of the world so science is NOT what they are even hanging their hats on! It's more like a misplaced, pure disdain for the very thought a "GOD". Let me explain...

    Look, I've met many of these types and the vast majority base their views on supercharged anger and/or having a run of bad luck/life occurrences and they need a scapegoat. They are bitter and vengeful. By denouncing God, they feel they are getting even or something LOL

    Christians have the luxury of faith (an unbeliever cannot comprehend so let's leave this here) and a die hard Atheist has the burden of indisputable definitive proof in finality terms. Well, there is none.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Actually I don't have any faith in anything and I wouldn't consider myself an atheist but an agnostic. I have no clue if a creator exists or not, though admittedly I lean towards the not. I don't actively believe in the existence of heaven or hell really.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Geo: If that's you in the avatar, I'm gonna mind my P's and Q's for my own safety. If not, I'm about to own ur azz. LOL (j/k!)

    On a serious note, I can appreciate yours and the perspective Pat just relayed as well. It's the convicted Atheists adamant that there is no God that get to me. Like, how can you be so sure, where is the proof? Many of these cats aren't like the Pat Arnold's of the world so science is NOT what they are even hanging their hats on! It's more like a misplaced, pure disdain for the very thought a "GOD". Let me explain...

    Look, I've met many of these types and the vast majority base their views on supercharged anger and/or having a run of bad luck/life occurrences and they need a scapegoat. They are bitter and vengeful. By denouncing God, they feel they are getting even or something LOL

    Christians have the luxury of faith (an unbeliever cannot comprehend so let's leave this here) and a die hard Atheist has the burden of indisputable definitive proof in finality terms. Well, there is none.
    You cant prove a negative.

    Asking someone to prove that god doesnt exist is like asking someone to prove that spiderman isnt the love child of sonic the hedgehog and one of the power puff girls.

    The burden of proof doesnt fall on the atheists but on the religious ones making the existence of god claims. The burden always lies on those who are making the claims. Problem is there is no proof. It all is about having blind faith, which is why you cant really have a debate about his existence or not. Its either or believe or dont.
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  29. What can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Geo: If that's you in the avatar, I'm gonna mind my P's and Q's for my own safety. If not, I'm about to own ur azz. LOL (j/k!)

    On a serious note, I can appreciate yours and the perspective Pat just relayed as well. It's the convicted Atheists adamant that there is no God that get to me. Like, how can you be so sure, where is the proof? Many of these cats aren't like the Pat Arnold's of the world so science is NOT what they are even hanging their hats on! It's more like a misplaced, pure disdain for the very thought a "GOD". Let me explain...

    Look, I've met many of these types and the vast majority base their views on supercharged anger and/or having a run of bad luck/life occurrences and they need a scapegoat. They are bitter and vengeful. By denouncing God, they feel they are getting even or something LOL

    Christians have the luxury of faith (an unbeliever cannot comprehend so let's leave this here) and a die hard Atheist has the burden of indisputable definitive proof in finality terms. Well, there is none.
    I am very scientifically minded but I look at it this way, when science creates life I'll lend the atheists my ear, until then... I am a doubting Thomas(my middle name) I want proof either way. right now in my opinion you cannot disprove an intelligent design in the universe. I am in good company here are a few quotes from a well respected man of science
    Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in point of fact, religious.
    Albert Einstein
    Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the "old one." I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice.
    Albert Einstein

    And to qualify what he meant lest I be accused of misrepresenting his concept of God and religion

    I believe in Spinoza's God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.
    Albert Einstein
    "I can understand your aversion to the use of the term 'religion' to describe an emotional and psychological attitude which shows itself most clearly in Spinoza... I have not found a better expression than 'religious' for the trust in the rational nature of reality that is, at least to a certain extent, accessible to human reason."
    And as Forest Gump would say "That's all I have to say about that"
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