Ecdysterone yes or no?

[Mixelflick]

U want something synthesized you can always come to me. we have actual real chem production equipment and lab, not a bathtub and some litmus paper

Understand and appreciate that PA. In fact, this gentleman had some concerns about where his product is being made. I'll email him now, and be in touch...

[Mixelflick]

you have an anglo name yet you sound asian

are you a raw material supplier?

Screams of Cyanotis Vaga...

[Patrick Arnold]

Screams of Cyanotis Vaga...

this woman is interjecting herself in all kinds of threads with brief informational statements. Its like she is not reading the thread and just looking at the title and then spouting out a factoid. Its like she is not human but a computer program

its like you are at a party discussing something. Lets say you are discussing salmon dishes. And then this weirdo buts in and says out of nowhere " Salmon - 10 minutes per inch, 400 degrees farhenheit" Like that nerd girl from big bang theory

[ax1]

this woman is interjecting herself in all kinds of threads with brief informational statements. Its like she is not reading the thread and just looking at the title and then spouting out a factoid. Its like she is not human but a computer program

its like you are at a party discussing something. Lets say you are discussing salmon dishes. And then this weirdo buts in and says out of nowhere " Salmon - 10 minutes per inch, 400 degrees farhenheit" Like that nerd girl from big bang theory

100 post later they will add spam in their signature.

[FL3X MAGNUM]

I dunno guys...I think she's on to something

[Mixelflick]

this woman is interjecting herself in all kinds of threads with brief informational statements. Its like she is not reading the thread and just looking at the title and then spouting out a factoid. Its like she is not human but a computer program

its like you are at a party discussing something. Lets say you are discussing salmon dishes. And then this weirdo buts in and says out of nowhere " Salmon - 10 minutes per inch, 400 degrees farhenheit" Like that nerd girl from big bang theory

Yeah, otherwise known as a spam-bot. I've seen them on my board. Automated, in some fashion to build post counts - then later add a link in their sig (or wherever), to their bunk product. Sad part of the information age...

[mr.cooper69]

Yeah, otherwise known as a spam-bot. I've seen them on my board. Automated, in some fashion to build post counts - then later add a link in their sig (or wherever), to their bunk product. Sad part of the information age...

Hey you look really good in your picture can you gave us some more information about your age

[Patrick Arnold]

Hey you look really good in your picture can you gave us some more information about your age

no homo?

[StackedCop]

no homo?

Homo or gtfo brah

[Mixelflick]

Hey you look really good in your picture can you gave us some more information about your age

Turned 42 in January. I sure wish women had the same reaction to my pic, LOL. Chick magnet I ain't. My son is though. Nicholas Maximus can't keep the chiqua's off him...

[Patrick Arnold]

clear your pm's mixel

[staple]

it's all that resveratrol bro

[Mixelflick]

clear your pm's mixel

Done

[mich29]

I'm late to this thread. everything I wanted to say and debate has been debated.

[Mixelflick]

I'm late to this thread. everything I wanted to say and debate has been debated.

Aw c'mon, there's always more to debate when it comes to Ecdy...

[mich29]

Aw c'mon, there's always more to debate when it comes to Ecdy...

reminds me of a few years ago when the bans were getting closer,I remember a few companies gettin crazy over the edy

[BBB]

There is a pro-bodybuilder, on another forum, who claims to use injectable Ecdy pre-contest with excellent results.

[Patrick Arnold]

recent study on injectable 20E done here at u of illinois had weird and somewhat dissapointing results

[Mixelflick]

recent study on injectable 20E done here at u of illinois had weird and somewhat dissapointing results

Thanks for the tip PA! I'm googling now, can you please provide a link here for the board members that may be interested?

Someone I know REAL well will be running a "full spectrum" Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract injectible within a month or two. I'm no fan of 20E/20-Hydroxyecdysterone standalone. This, based upon 15 years of running it orally, sublingual in a cyclodextrin base as well as transdermal with the carrier being your odorless DMSO (great stuff, btw). Only the trans at a gram/day of 20-H yielded some benefit.

I'm of the opinion that full spectrum RCE is the preferred source genus, given there is a grouping of ecdysteroids in the plant (referred to as the "levseins" complex in the former Soviet literature). There are also various tannins and resins contained therein, that are considered to be beneficial. This is but one of the reasons I elected to incorporate into Mass Pro Synthagen - my first Ecdy product. To be fair, Thermolife makes an excellent product in this category, E-bol. Like Synthagen, they use RCE as the primary source of Ecdy.

More info on the Ecdy pinning experiment, forthcoming...

[Mixelflick]

recent study on injectable 20E done here at u of illinois had weird and somewhat dissapointing results

I'm assuming you're referring to this?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1....4679/abstract

Keywords:

• 20-hydroxyecdysone;
• infusion;
• mice;
• microarray;
• phytoecdysteroids;
• skeletal muscle

Phytoecdysteroids have been attributed with numerous pharmacological properties in animals, including increasing muscle mass, and 20-hydroxyecdysone (20E) is one of the most abundant phytoecdysteroids produced by plants. In this study, the physiological and gene expression effects of 20E were analyzed in C57BL/6 mice given a continuous infusion of saline or 20E (5 mg/kg/day) for 5 or 15 days using subcutaneously implanted Alzet® osmotic pumps. The masses of the total body, muscle groups and organs were determined. There was a significant increase ( p = 0.01) in the mass of triceps brachii in mice treated with 20E for 5 days (115 ± 8 mg) compared with mice treated with saline for 5 days (88 ± 3 mg), however, there were no differences in the other measured parameters. To determine potential mechanisms of 20E in skeletal muscle, Illumina's Mouse Whole Genome-6 v2.0 Expression BeadChips were used to evaluate changes in gene expression of the triceps brachii after 20E infusion. Ingenuity Pathways Analysis was used to identify genes with the most evidence for differential expression, of which, 16 genes involved in the skeletal and muscular system were identified. Overall, the data suggest that 20E does not have potent anabolic properties, however, a muscle-specific increase was observed and genes were identified to provide an explanation for the muscle accretion. Copyright © 2012 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.



Quite interesting, the muscle specific effect observed. I only had time to read the abstract, off to the gym!!!