Ecdysterone yes or no?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    it would be very easy to inject ecdy since its water soluble. dissolve some high pure ecdy powder in water, sterilize with syringe filter, and inject
    Do you think that then it may actually do something beneficial?
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Mixelflick View Post
    Amen, and something I've been saying for years. In fact, the former Soviet literature concerning Rhaponticum Carthamoides speaks to a very specific grouping of ecdysteroids, referred to as the "levseins" complex. There are also tannins and resins present in this source genus, one of which mitigates carbs being stored as fat.

    I've used more 20-H than I care to admit. Orally, it's a complete bust. Transdermally you'll see some of the classic Ecdy benefits (greatly mitigated DOMS, etc), but even those effects took over a gram delivered transdermally/day in a DMSO base. Ironically, it was PA's "odorless" DMSO...

    Great stuff btw PA. Wish you still offered it...
    I know that we've had our PR issues in the past, but SSE's Omnibolic is a PREMIUM Ecdysterone product that delivers solid results. I know Mixel has tried two previous versions, I would love to see a log on our latest version.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Alpha R View Post
    I know that we've had our PR issues in the past, but SSE's Omnibolic is a PREMIUM Ecdysterone product that delivers solid results. I know Mixel has tried two previous versions, I would love to see a log on our latest version.
    Appreciate you comments. However, if I can get a properly sterilized Ecdy injectible - I have a good friend that'll run it.

    The issue here, is the sterilization component. The LD50 (lethal dose that killed 50% of the animals in experiments), was something on the order of 9 GRAMS of Ecdy per kg of bodyweight (orally), if I recall correctly. He's very cautious about what he puts into his body, so a home brew is out. Yes, it's possible to do at home but he'd much rather know it was done by someone with greater expertise in this area.

    We shall see...

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Mixelflick View Post
    Amen, and something I've been saying for years. In fact, the former Soviet literature concerning Rhaponticum Carthamoides speaks to a very specific grouping of ecdysteroids, referred to as the "levseins" complex. There are also tannins and resins present in this source genus, one of which mitigates carbs being stored as fat.

    I've used more 20-H than I care to admit. Orally, it's a complete bust. Transdermally you'll see some of the classic Ecdy benefits (greatly mitigated DOMS, etc), but even those effects took over a gram delivered transdermally/day in a DMSO base. Ironically, it was PA's "odorless" DMSO...

    Great stuff btw PA. Wish you still offered it...
    still have a lot of it here. i just dont know how to go about selling it. doesnt really fit into any of our product lines
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Do you think that then it may actually do something beneficial?

    we can only speculate
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    still have a lot of it here. i just dont know how to go about selling it. doesnt really fit into any of our product lines
    We need to talk...

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Mixelflick View Post
    We need to talk...
    I'll be your guys genie pig


  8. Hmmm....

    It appears a certain lab rat is about to find out, just what an injectible Ecdy can do. Not me of course, but Kcilflexim. That would be "Mixelflick", spelled backwards.

    I'm in daily contact with him, so I'll try to get details as to when he's starting, how he'll run it etc.. Good guy, and knows his Ecdy cold!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mixelflick View Post
    Hmmm....

    It appears a certain lab rat is about to find out, just what an injectible Ecdy can do. Not me of course, but Kcilflexim. That would be "Mixelflick", spelled backwards.

    I'm in daily contact with him, so I'll try to get details as to when he's starting, how he'll run it etc.. Good guy, and knows his Ecdy cold!
    should be interesting. Once upon a time russianstar, aka prof filimanov, ran an injectable ecdy. I believe he made it himself, and had rather favorable results. I believe he had a log of it here, with the recipe he used. Ps- just picked up the blueprint a few days ago and have been reading all the material- really intrigued- but I must say my head is spinning a bit, lol.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by daft205 View Post
    should be interesting. Once upon a time russianstar, aka prof filimanov, ran an injectable ecdy. I believe he made it himself, and had rather favorable results. I believe he had a log of it here, with the recipe he used. Ps- just picked up the blueprint a few days ago and have been reading all the material- really intrigued- but I must say my head is spinning a bit, lol.
    Understand man, it's a LOT of information. I wanted to over-deliver for people like you, who invested in me/BP.

    PM on the way with my cell-phone #. I'm headed back to Gainsville brother - and you're coming with me....

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Alpha R View Post
    The problem with Ecdysterone products on the market, is that they are not properly standardized or dosed. Also, you need a full-spectrum extract, containing a variety of ecdysteroid conmpounds, and not an extract that is standardized just for 20-hydroxyecdysone.

    Ecdysterone repairs cartilage in joints
    http://www.ergo-log.com/ecdysteronejoints.html

    Ecdysteroids curb growth of fat tissue
    http://www.ergo-log.com/ecdysteroids.html

    Try ecdysteroids for younger skin and more muscle mass
    http://www.ergo-log.com/ecdysteroidsyoungerskin.html

    Low doses of ecdysteroids promote muscle building
    http://www.ergo-log.com/ecdysteronemetabolism.html
    I read but can't remember where that something on the order of 1 1/2 - 2 cups of quinoa a day reaches the ecdysterone levels as we normally see in products.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I read but can't remember where that something on the order of 1 1/2 - 2 cups of quinoa a day reaches the ecdysterone levels as we normally see in products.
    True, but these are the seeds - not the grain which is usually left over after cooking....

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11368638

    Ecdysteroids of quinoa seeds (Chenopodium quinoa Willd.).

    Zhu N, Kikuzaki H, Vastano BC, Nakatani N, Karwe MV, Rosen RT, Ho CT.
    Source

    Department of Food Science and Center for Advanced Food Technology, Rutgers University, 65 Dudley Road, New Brunswick, New Jersey 08901-8520, USA.

    Abstract

    Quinoa (Chenopodium quinoa) is a hardy and nutritious Latin American pseudo-cereal. Studies on the seeds led to the isolation of five ecdysteroids using column chromatography. Their structures were determined as ecdysterone, makisterone A, 24-epi-makisterone A, 24(28)-dehydromakisterone A, and 20,26-dihydroxyecdysone by spectroscopic methods. This study demonstrates that quinoa seeds are a source of ecdysteroids, which were reported to be molting hormones in insects.

    PMID: 11368638 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

  13. Anabolica--ecdy+ 5a hydroxy laxogenin was apparently supposed to be good stuff. Thermolife apparently has it too in their E-Bol
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Anabolica--ecdy+ 5a hydroxy laxogenin was apparently supposed to be good stuff. Thermolife apparently has it too in their E-Bol
    Anabolica was in fact, a quality product. I confirmed in conversation with Mark Thierman that he produced the raws. Still had a few tabs, and I had those tested to validate they contained 5-alpha-hydroxy laxogenin.

    Thermolife's 25-R is not quite the same, but a related compound. The 25-R's are really a series of related compounds, cousins of Compounds I-IV in the former Soviet Literature. I'm speaking now with the person who's in possession of Mark's recipe for synthesizing Laxogenin from diosgenin, and may be working with him in the future on formulation and optimal use protocols for various applications...

    Will keep everyone posted!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Mixelflick View Post
    I'm speaking now with the person who's in possession of Mark's recipe for synthesizing Laxogenin from diosgenin, and may be working with him in the future on formulation and optimal use protocols for various applications...
    !
    U want something synthesized you can always come to me. we have actual real chem production equipment and lab, not a bathtub and some litmus paper
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    U want something synthesized you can always come to me. we have actual real chem production equipment and lab, not a bathtub and some litmus paper
    Understand and appreciate that PA. In fact, this gentleman had some concerns about where his product is being made. I'll email him now, and be in touch...

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    you have an anglo name yet you sound asian

    are you a raw material supplier?
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Mixelflick View Post
    Screams of Cyanotis Vaga...
    this woman is interjecting herself in all kinds of threads with brief informational statements. Its like she is not reading the thread and just looking at the title and then spouting out a factoid. Its like she is not human but a computer program

    its like you are at a party discussing something. Lets say you are discussing salmon dishes. And then this weirdo buts in and says out of nowhere " Salmon - 10 minutes per inch, 400 degrees farhenheit" Like that nerd girl from big bang theory
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    this woman is interjecting herself in all kinds of threads with brief informational statements. Its like she is not reading the thread and just looking at the title and then spouting out a factoid. Its like she is not human but a computer program

    its like you are at a party discussing something. Lets say you are discussing salmon dishes. And then this weirdo buts in and says out of nowhere " Salmon - 10 minutes per inch, 400 degrees farhenheit" Like that nerd girl from big bang theory
    100 post later they will add spam in their signature.
    This message was paid for by the Russians

  20. I dunno guys...I think she's on to something
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    this woman is interjecting herself in all kinds of threads with brief informational statements. Its like she is not reading the thread and just looking at the title and then spouting out a factoid. Its like she is not human but a computer program

    its like you are at a party discussing something. Lets say you are discussing salmon dishes. And then this weirdo buts in and says out of nowhere " Salmon - 10 minutes per inch, 400 degrees farhenheit" Like that nerd girl from big bang theory
    Yeah, otherwise known as a spam-bot. I've seen them on my board. Automated, in some fashion to build post counts - then later add a link in their sig (or wherever), to their bunk product. Sad part of the information age...

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Mixelflick View Post
    Yeah, otherwise known as a spam-bot. I've seen them on my board. Automated, in some fashion to build post counts - then later add a link in their sig (or wherever), to their bunk product. Sad part of the information age...
    Hey you look really good in your picture can you gave us some more information about your age

  23. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Hey you look really good in your picture can you gave us some more information about your age

    no homo?
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    no homo?
    Homo or gtfo brah


  25. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Hey you look really good in your picture can you gave us some more information about your age
    Turned 42 in January. I sure wish women had the same reaction to my pic, LOL. Chick magnet I ain't. My son is though. Nicholas Maximus can't keep the chiqua's off him...
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