All Daa questions can go here

[John Smeton]

Do you think it is fine to stay on daa year round?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

i dunno.

lack of evidence that its bad isnt the same as evidence that its not bad

 

[RealBigga]

i dunno.

lack of evidence that its bad isnt the same as evidence that its not bad

hahaha

Patrick Arnold is a beast, yo you ever met S. Mosley ?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

thats conte's friend not mine

 

[Bigugly]

How do you think nmda will compare to daa?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

How do you think nmda will compare to daa?

not sure

 

[John Smeton]

i dunno.

lack of evidence that its bad isnt the same as evidence that its not bad

okay so your neutral on this subject until research comes out ?

The dinoii guy in the adavanced q and a section said he stayed on a year straight and so did Dr D. what is the longest you have taken daa?

I have been taking daa for 4 months with a week break every 6-8 weeks, and this time on the break I want to stay on because I seem to feel really good while taking it.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

okay so your neutral on this subject until research comes out ?

The dinoii guy in the adavanced q and a section said he stayed on a year straight and so did Dr D. what is the longest you have taken daa?

I have been taking daa for 4 months with a week break every 6-8 weeks, and this time on the break I want to stay on because I seem to feel really good while taking it.

longest i took it without a break was probably 6 months.

i wanna say that i dont see any evidence to suggest long term use is going to be problematic. but i can never say that long term use is proven to be completely safe. i cant say that about anything pretty much

 

[PVL]

hey pat, if a person is all natural and havent used anything anabolic in say 5-6 years, what type of results would one expect with DAA? I havent tried it yet so Id like to hear your results since you are a wealth of knowledge to this community. im looking for a slight ergo aid to use in the offseason for bodybuidling that wont effect my contest prep and its results. is there anything that would compare, say creatine, or are the results on muscle different since its different pathways?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

hey pat, if a person is all natural and havent used anything anabolic in say 5-6 years, what type of results would one expect with DAA? I havent tried it yet so Id like to hear your results since you are a wealth of knowledge to this community. im looking for a slight ergo aid to use in the offseason for bodybuidling that wont effect my contest prep and its results. is there anything that would compare, say creatine, or are the results on muscle different since its different pathways?

i would hope you would feel more energy and stamina both in and out of the gym. what that translates into as far as gains go depends on what you do with it

this is not creatine and cannot be compared to creatine

 

[John Smeton]

hey pat, if a person is all natural and havent used anything anabolic in say 5-6 years, what type of results would one expect with DAA? I havent tried it yet so Id like to hear your results since you are a wealth of knowledge to this community. im looking for a slight ergo aid to use in the offseason for bodybuidling that wont effect my contest prep and its results. is there anything that would compare, say creatine, or are the results on muscle different since its different pathways?

sorry for answering if I am interupting since this is P's section-much respect to you Patrick

Daa is more useful for guys 25-30 years old and plus. The best way to know is though bloodwork, all Daa does is keeps testosterone in the higher ranges so if you are already in the higher ranges with testosterone, it wont do too much, if you are in the lower or moderate ranges, this is where it shines. I thought this is pretty basic information-to me it is anyways and I want to sincerely only give PA advanced questions; although, if I come across as basic sometimes forgive me -I try and yes I know do or do not t, there is no try-Yoda =)

 

[Ligmenos]

why in the testforce you use DAA calcium chelated and no sodium chelated? any particular reason?

 

[RealBigga]

I think Pat Arnold wish this thread was never made. haha

 

[PVL]

well, i understand its boost, but what i mean is.......will it be noticeable or will I "feel" a difference? the reason i mentioned creatine is that is was the breakthrough for natural bodybuilders when i was growing up, esp in HS. but now there isnt much out that does ALL THAT for a reasonable price like creatine. i remember when cell tech came out and i thought that was awesome, lol.......i was only 16.

im 27 now and just looking to get the boys moving a lil faster if you catch my drift. i dont want surpa levels as far as test, just something in the 800-1000 range if that is possible with DAA................anything higher on blood tests would cause me to break out bad.

 

[Bigugly]

not sure

Can you find out?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

why in the testforce you use DAA calcium chelated and no sodium chelated? any particular reason?

there is no such thing as a sodium chelate. sodium salt yes

the calcium chelate is more soluble than the sodium salt and over a wider pH range

plus i would rather have extra calcium in my diet than extra sodium

 

[Patrick Arnold]

well, i understand its boost, but what i mean is.......will it be noticeable or will I "feel" a difference? .

i used the word "feel" in my response to you. should i have capitalized it, italicized it?

maybe i should stand on my head

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Can you find out?

I'll get right on that

 

[RealBigga]

Pat, you need me to ban any of these clowns for you ?

 

[schizm]

i used the word "feel" in my response to you. should i have capitalized it, italicized it?

maybe i should stand on my head

hahaha! In for a PA headstand!!!

 

[Patrick Arnold]

I am not very good with people

 

[BBB]

We don't care as long as your supps work.

 

[PVL]

i used the word "feel" in my response to you. should i have capitalized it, italicized it?

maybe i should stand on my head

lol.........the energy and stamina thing...........um ok, lol! isnt that what caffeine does already?

since we are talking science and thats what you do...........why dont you explain how DAA scientifically has proven to give you more "stamina and energy" as opposed to taking 1g of caffeine during the day?

Im looking for a detailed response because I would love to hear the story behind why you use DAA and endorse it. thanks bud.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

lol.........the energy and stamina thing...........um ok, lol! isnt that what caffeine does already?

since we are talking science and thats what you do...........why dont you explain how DAA scientifically has proven to give you more "stamina and energy" as opposed to taking 1g of caffeine during the day?

Im looking for a detailed response because I would love to hear the story behind why you use DAA and endorse it. thanks bud.

it has not been scientifically proven to give you stamina.

i am telling you what people report they feel from it

it is not a replacement for caffiene. it does not give people the same feeling as caffeine

i am sorry i am unable to sell you on the stuff. why dont you try some herb from pakistan

 

[Patrick Arnold]

lol.........the energy and stamina thing...........um ok, lol! isnt that what caffeine does already?

since we are talking science and thats what you do...........why dont you explain how DAA scientifically has proven to give you more "stamina and energy" as opposed to taking 1g of caffeine during the day?

Im looking for a detailed response because I would love to hear the story behind why you use DAA and endorse it. thanks bud.

i use it because i like the idea of stimulating my HPTA. I also think it has cognitive and mood benefits above and beyond its hormonal effects

i do not use it because i think its a replacement for anadrol, or caffeine.

 

[AK4lyfe]

Hey what should my dosing of daa be daily? If it helps I'm running it alongside anabeta and erase.

Thanks in advance!

 

[RealBigga]

You'll get a faster response using Google, I think that question has been answered before.

 

[mr.cooper69]

3.12g

 

[Patrick Arnold]

3.12g

not quite

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more or less

 

[mr.cooper69]

not quite

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more or less

Some kid at my high school had it memorized to like 500 digits. :wtf1:

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Some kid at my high school had it memorized to like 500 digits. :wtf1:

he is probably repeating it over and over again in a mental institution today

 

[PVL]

not quite

3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209 7494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651 3282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102 7019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461 2847564823378678316527120190914564856692346034861045432 6648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920 9628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841 4695194151160943305727036575959195309218611738193261179 3105118548074462379962749567351885752724891227938183011 9491298336733624406566430860213949463952247371907021798 6094370277053921717629317675238467481846766940513200056 8127145263560827785771342757789609173637178721468440901 2249534301465495853710507922796892589235420199561121290 2196086403441815981362977477130996051870721134999999837 2978049951059731732816096318595024459455346908302642522 3082533446850352619311881710100031378387528865875332083 8142061717766914730359825349042875546873115956286388235 3787593751957781857780532171226806613001927876611195909 2164201989380952572010654858632788659361533818279682303 0195203530185296899577362259941389124972177528347913151 5574857242454150695950829533116861727855889075098381754 6374649393192550604009277016711390098488240128583616035 6370766010471018194295559619894676783744944825537977472 6847104047534646208046684259069491293313677028989152104 7521620569660240580381501935112533824300355876402474964 7326391419927260426992279678235478163600934172164121992 4586315030286182974555706749838505494588586926995690927 2107975093029553211653449872027559602364806654991198818 3479775356636980742654252786255181841757467289097777279 3800081647060016145249192173217214772350141441973568548 1613611573525521334757418494684385233239073941433345477 624168625189835694855620992192221842725502542568876717 grams

more or less

lmao!

Pat I wasnt trying to be a smart ass.............I am just very cautious about what I put in my body now because ive had some medical history that I try to take care of now. Just trying to know what Im getting into before I buy such a product. I dont want you to sell me on it, no point, I am just a curious george.

BTW, im in california, not pakistan dude. not sure what that reference way towards, Im a big ass white boy.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

lmao!

Pat I wasnt trying to be a smart ass.............I am just very cautious about what I put in my body now because ive had some medical history that I try to take care of now. Just trying to know what Im getting into before I buy such a product. I dont want you to sell me on it, no point, I am just a curious george.

BTW, im in california, not pakistan dude. not sure what that reference way towards, Im a big ass white boy.

the comment on herb from pakistan was a jab at some of the products out there that contain all kinds of weird traditional medicine crap from all over the world. at least DAA has some good old western science behind it

DAA is not something you need to really be wary of because the side effect reports are relatively miniscule. There is little harm to try the stuff to see if its for you, besides a light hit on your wallet

 

[PVL]

the comment on herb from pakistan was a jab at some of the products out there that contain all kinds of weird traditional medicine crap from all over the world. at least DAA has some good old western science behind it

DAA is not something you need to really be wary of because the side effect reports are relatively miniscule. There is little harm to try the stuff to see if its for you, besides a light hit on your wallet

ok cool...........I know this might be a silly question but do you think t2 and DAA would be a good combo to start back into bodybuilding mix. remember my body is fresh and my receptors are very very upregulated from proper diet, rest and adequate training.

im pretty broke right now, but hope to find a job soon(health issues, long story)............I saw on here that phenorex and DAA bulk are on sale............do you think a run of 4 weeks would yield nice results?

I have learned more isnt always better, so its why im asking so many questions. im 6'2 240 around 12% bodyfat all from hard work and proper nutrition once again.

thanks in advance bro

 

[PVL]

I am not very good with people

thats alright Pat, im a meathead who is mostly at home most of the day......so im a bit of an oddball myself. thats why we get so interested in bodybuilding because its a solo act, and no one else to blame. In fact, I look up to you for creating what you did with 1AD and whatnot.

You have to understand us bodybuilders speak the same language............muscle bound, lol!

as long as you put into words what you are trying to say, we can figure it out man.

 

[PrepNwa23]

This thread had me laughing the whole way through. Curious in TestForce2 the addition of Sarcosine is to block the reuptake of glycine, why hasn't any other brand tried to find another way to block it also? Is Sarcosine the only known amino that has that affect?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

ok cool...........I know this might be a silly question but do you think t2 and DAA would be a good combo to start back into bodybuilding mix. remember my body is fresh and my receptors are very very upregulated from proper diet, rest and adequate training.

im pretty broke right now, but hope to find a job soon(health issues, long story)............I saw on here that phenorex and DAA bulk are on sale............do you think a run of 4 weeks would yield nice results?

I have learned more isnt always better, so its why im asking so many questions. im 6'2 240 around 12% bodyfat all from hard work and proper nutrition once again.

thanks in advance bro

wtf is t2?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

thats alright Pat, im a meathead who is mostly at home most of the day......so im a bit of an oddball myself. thats why we get so interested in bodybuilding because its a solo act, and no one else to blame. In fact, I look up to you for creating what you did with 1AD and whatnot.

You have to understand us bodybuilders speak the same language............muscle bound, lol!

as long as you put into words what you are trying to say, we can figure it out man.

well i appreciate that. you are alot more easy going than some other panty wads here

 

[Patrick Arnold]

This thread had me laughing the whole way through. Curious in TestForce2 the addition of Sarcosine is to block the reuptake of glycine, why hasn't any other brand tried to find another way to block it also? Is Sarcosine the only known amino that has that affect?

i am not sure if there are other aminos that do that. i do have a patent pending on the combo and i make that well known. whether that has anything to do with why others dont use the combo i am not sure. maybe others are just too dumb to figure it out?

 

[PrepNwa23]

i am not sure if there are other aminos that do that. i do have a patent pending on the combo and i make that well known. whether that has anything to do with why others dont use the combo i am not sure. maybe others are just too dumb to figure it out?

Haha fair enough.

 

[PVL]

wtf is t2?

3,3'-Diiodothyronine

aka t2 in comparison to t3 and t4 thyroid hormones.........come on pat, lol

 

[Patrick Arnold]

3,3'-Diiodothyronine

aka t2 in comparison to t3 and t4 thyroid hormones.........come on pat, lol

i didnt know he meant that t2. i thought he meant a supplement called t2


as far as t2 goes i suppose it has thyroid hormone potential. no one has ever really quantified its activity in the real world with bodybuilders and stuff though.

i know that thyroid hormone can be of benefit with bodybuilders. in situations such as low calorie dieting (where basal metabolism is decreased) and as adjunct to heavy steroid and/or GH cycles (which can cause thyroid suppression)

anyway what was the original question?

 

[PVL]

i didnt know he meant that t2. i thought he meant a supplement called t2


as far as t2 goes i suppose it has thyroid hormone potential. no one has ever really quantified its activity in the real world with bodybuilders and stuff though.

i know that thyroid hormone can be of benefit with bodybuilders. in situations such as low calorie dieting (where basal metabolism is decreased) and as adjunct to heavy steroid and/or GH cycles (which can cause thyroid suppression)

anyway what was the original question?

the original question was.........would DAA and t2 would be ok on a natural bodybuilder. ive been doing this drug free the last 5 years and wanna continue without AAS, just dont react to them well. I will probably need a script for SLIN in the future as I am pre diabetic naturally(gain weight really easy when eating carbs)

my biggest concern is keeping the fat gain at bay as im slowly trying to add some size. I figured a low dose of both wouldnt inhibit gains too much right?

 

[John Smeton]

the original question was.........would DAA and t2 would be ok on a natural bodybuilder. ive been doing this drug free the last 5 years and wanna continue without AAS, just dont react to them well. I will probably need a script for SLIN in the future as I am pre diabetic naturally(gain weight really easy when eating carbs)

my biggest concern is keeping the fat gain at bay as im slowly trying to add some size. I figured a low dose of both wouldnt inhibit gains too much right?

Yes, daa is useful for guys who do not use synthetic hormones, getting ready for a show absolutely. The true natural competitors use it pre contest because long dieting and cardio can decrease testosterone levels. Ive done the whole non hormonal thiong for three years following the ocb/ifpa rules-very strict and nothing hormonal, even otc. I switched over the the NGA- which call their selves natural and allow otc only, as long as you buy it over the counter and pass the urine test, it is allowed.

Most of the natural guys use over the counter stuff-take it from me I have competed in the NGA. The only guy I truly believe has not used any over the counter hormonals is Layne Norton. I am thinking about taking a stab at the NPC using OTC only.

to answer your questions about t2 I dont know - DAA can help a lot when dieting.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

SO......doubling the 3 gram dosage is useless from what I read in here. I finally ended up getting DAA in more of a bulk form (300 grams) and I was thinking of doubling the dose, but if its just a waste of time and money.....I won't. I figure there is no scientific study on 6 grams, but I figure SOMEBODY has done this type of dosage and could weight its effectiveness against the normal 3 gram dose.

 

[PVL]

Yes, daa is useful for guys who do not use synthetic hormones, getting ready for a show absolutely. The true natural competitors use it pre contest because long dieting and cardio can decrease testosterone levels. Ive done the whole non hormonal thiong for three years following the ocb/ifpa rules-very strict and nothing hormonal, even otc. I switched over the the NGA- which call their selves natural and allow otc only, as long as you buy it over the counter and pass the urine test, it is allowed.

Most of the natural guys use over the counter stuff-take it from me I have competed in the NGA. The only guy I truly believe has not used any over the counter hormonals is Layne Norton. I am thinking about taking a stab at the NPC using OTC only.

to answer your questions about t2 I dont know - DAA can help a lot when dieting.

yeah im trying to do the natural route and see what my genetics give me.......reason for all the questions. once i win at that, then maybe I will think about hormones like peptides and SLIN.

 

[John Smeton]

Pat,

If a persons pct consists of hcg the first two weeks, where would daa come in?

the reason I ask is because a while back in an Musculardevelopment magazine article about PCt, in your column, it is mentioned to do hcg a couple times during the cycle and at the end. Do you think it is wise to do it the first two weeks during pct and wait to add daa in, or not do hcg at all, only during the cycle, and use daa?

My thoughts are adding daa the last week or two of the cycle may help and for sure adding it as soon as pct begins; however not sure if this would be advisable if hcg is used at the same time?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Pat,

If a persons pct consists of hcg the first two weeks, where would daa come in?

the reason I ask is because a while back in an Musculardevelopment magazine article about PCt, in your column, it is mentioned to do hcg a couple times during the cycle and at the end. Do you think it is wise to do it the first two weeks during pct and wait to add daa in, or not do hcg at all, only during the cycle, and use daa?

My thoughts are adding daa the last week or two of the cycle may help and for sure adding it as soon as pct begins; however not sure if this would be advisable if hcg is used at the same time?

I dont see anything wrong with using DAA and hcg at the same time. I think if you can afford it then it might be smartest to use DAA all through a cycle and through PCT as well (regardless of whatever stuff you are taking)

 

[PVL]

I dont see anything wrong with using DAA and hcg at the same time. I think if you can afford it then it might be smartest to use DAA all through a cycle and through PCT as well (regardless of whatever stuff you are taking)

to keep the boys functioning? will it stop HPTA shutdown?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

to keep the boys functioning? will it stop HPTA shutdown?

It will serve to help the hypothalamus part of the HPTA to keep functioning (and maybe the testes part too). I would certainly not claim it will 100 percent prevent shutdown of course. It just will help stack the deck in your favor