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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    wtf is t2?
    3,3'-Diiodothyronine

    aka t2 in comparison to t3 and t4 thyroid hormones.........come on pat, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by PVL View Post
    3,3'-Diiodothyronine

    aka t2 in comparison to t3 and t4 thyroid hormones.........come on pat, lol
    i didnt know he meant that t2. i thought he meant a supplement called t2


    as far as t2 goes i suppose it has thyroid hormone potential. no one has ever really quantified its activity in the real world with bodybuilders and stuff though.

    i know that thyroid hormone can be of benefit with bodybuilders. in situations such as low calorie dieting (where basal metabolism is decreased) and as adjunct to heavy steroid and/or GH cycles (which can cause thyroid suppression)

    anyway what was the original question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i didnt know he meant that t2. i thought he meant a supplement called t2


    as far as t2 goes i suppose it has thyroid hormone potential. no one has ever really quantified its activity in the real world with bodybuilders and stuff though.

    i know that thyroid hormone can be of benefit with bodybuilders. in situations such as low calorie dieting (where basal metabolism is decreased) and as adjunct to heavy steroid and/or GH cycles (which can cause thyroid suppression)

    anyway what was the original question?
    the original question was.........would DAA and t2 would be ok on a natural bodybuilder. ive been doing this drug free the last 5 years and wanna continue without AAS, just dont react to them well. I will probably need a script for SLIN in the future as I am pre diabetic naturally(gain weight really easy when eating carbs)

    my biggest concern is keeping the fat gain at bay as im slowly trying to add some size. I figured a low dose of both wouldnt inhibit gains too much right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PVL View Post
    the original question was.........would DAA and t2 would be ok on a natural bodybuilder. ive been doing this drug free the last 5 years and wanna continue without AAS, just dont react to them well. I will probably need a script for SLIN in the future as I am pre diabetic naturally(gain weight really easy when eating carbs)

    my biggest concern is keeping the fat gain at bay as im slowly trying to add some size. I figured a low dose of both wouldnt inhibit gains too much right?
    Yes, daa is useful for guys who do not use synthetic hormones, getting ready for a show absolutely. The true natural competitors use it pre contest because long dieting and cardio can decrease testosterone levels. Ive done the whole non hormonal thiong for three years following the ocb/ifpa rules-very strict and nothing hormonal, even otc. I switched over the the NGA- which call their selves natural and allow otc only, as long as you buy it over the counter and pass the urine test, it is allowed.

    Most of the natural guys use over the counter stuff-take it from me I have competed in the NGA. The only guy I truly believe has not used any over the counter hormonals is Layne Norton. I am thinking about taking a stab at the NPC using OTC only.

    to answer your questions about t2 I dont know - DAA can help a lot when dieting.
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    SO......doubling the 3 gram dosage is useless from what I read in here. I finally ended up getting DAA in more of a bulk form (300 grams) and I was thinking of doubling the dose, but if its just a waste of time and money.....I won't. I figure there is no scientific study on 6 grams, but I figure SOMEBODY has done this type of dosage and could weight its effectiveness against the normal 3 gram dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Yes, daa is useful for guys who do not use synthetic hormones, getting ready for a show absolutely. The true natural competitors use it pre contest because long dieting and cardio can decrease testosterone levels. Ive done the whole non hormonal thiong for three years following the ocb/ifpa rules-very strict and nothing hormonal, even otc. I switched over the the NGA- which call their selves natural and allow otc only, as long as you buy it over the counter and pass the urine test, it is allowed.

    Most of the natural guys use over the counter stuff-take it from me I have competed in the NGA. The only guy I truly believe has not used any over the counter hormonals is Layne Norton. I am thinking about taking a stab at the NPC using OTC only.

    to answer your questions about t2 I dont know - DAA can help a lot when dieting.
    yeah im trying to do the natural route and see what my genetics give me.......reason for all the questions. once i win at that, then maybe I will think about hormones like peptides and SLIN.
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    Pat,

    If a persons pct consists of hcg the first two weeks, where would daa come in?

    the reason I ask is because a while back in an Musculardevelopment magazine article about PCt, in your column, it is mentioned to do hcg a couple times during the cycle and at the end. Do you think it is wise to do it the first two weeks during pct and wait to add daa in, or not do hcg at all, only during the cycle, and use daa?

    My thoughts are adding daa the last week or two of the cycle may help and for sure adding it as soon as pct begins; however not sure if this would be advisable if hcg is used at the same time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Pat,

    If a persons pct consists of hcg the first two weeks, where would daa come in?

    the reason I ask is because a while back in an Musculardevelopment magazine article about PCt, in your column, it is mentioned to do hcg a couple times during the cycle and at the end. Do you think it is wise to do it the first two weeks during pct and wait to add daa in, or not do hcg at all, only during the cycle, and use daa?

    My thoughts are adding daa the last week or two of the cycle may help and for sure adding it as soon as pct begins; however not sure if this would be advisable if hcg is used at the same time?

    I dont see anything wrong with using DAA and hcg at the same time. I think if you can afford it then it might be smartest to use DAA all through a cycle and through PCT as well (regardless of whatever stuff you are taking)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    I dont see anything wrong with using DAA and hcg at the same time. I think if you can afford it then it might be smartest to use DAA all through a cycle and through PCT as well (regardless of whatever stuff you are taking)
    to keep the boys functioning? will it stop HPTA shutdown?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PVL View Post
    to keep the boys functioning? will it stop HPTA shutdown?

    It will serve to help the hypothalamus part of the HPTA to keep functioning (and maybe the testes part too). I would certainly not claim it will 100 percent prevent shutdown of course. It just will help stack the deck in your favor
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    right on PA, just got my order today........let the games begin..........gunna throw in some ostarine as well.......maybe some IGF-1 LR3 in the very near future if i can get a decent price on it.........trying to take everything but AAS, just too many sides IMO........

    maybe **** around with some PHs here and there, and quit if i get nasty sides.....i just hate acne man.......esp at 27......but its the game we play right? lol
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    my acne days are decades ago

    now i just got hair all over my back
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    not quite

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    Since it ends in a 7 it would round up by default and look like this right?

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    what does of b-6 should i dose b-6 with DAA in PCT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    what does of b-6 should i dose b-6 with DAA in PCT?

    most people already get b6 from other supplements they take, notably multi-vitamins
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    I'm have to take a monthly court ordered drug test, could DAA cause a false positive for a drug?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhgunner View Post
    I'm have to take a monthly court ordered drug test, could DAA cause a false positive for a drug?

    nope
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    Hi Power Rangers,

    PA I'm beginning the flip to TF-2 from basic DAA bulk powder. I'm currently not "asspeeing" with the bulk powder, so things are good. However directions say "preferably with meals". I like taking DAA on an empty stomach...because TF-2 is chelated would there be any difference on an empty stomach or full stomach in regards to absorption? I'm thinking one could take both ways with no difference...

    Also with a 3month on 2 week off protocol...should we re load normally with 4 scoops twice per day for 3 weeks every time we restart a cycle? Or does the 2 week window off keep us charged only needing the 2 scoop serving per day.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon76 View Post
    Hi Power Rangers,

    PA I'm beginning the flip to TF-2 from basic DAA bulk powder. I'm currently not "asspeeing" with the bulk powder, so things are good. However directions say "preferably with meals". I like taking DAA on an empty stomach...because TF-2 is chelated would there be any difference on an empty stomach or full stomach in regards to absorption? I'm thinking one could take both ways with no difference...

    Also with a 3month on 2 week off protocol...should we re load normally with 4 scoops twice per day for 3 weeks every time we restart a cycle? Or does the 2 week window off keep us charged only needing the 2 scoop serving per day.

    Thanks.
    the reason for taking with meals is to minimize GI distress. There should be no differences in absorption really

    Loading is not necessary its just an option. After 2 weeks you will have depleted your stores of DAA in the target tissues though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the reason for taking with meals is to minimize GI distress. There should be no differences in absorption really

    Loading is not necessary its just an option. After 2 weeks you will have depleted your stores of DAA in the target tissues though
    PA, not sure if you've answered this before...but what's the upper limit of DAA you've experimented with, how long? As in, have you dosed it 6g/day for 3 weeks, 6 weeks...longer/shorter...effects of higher dosing any noticable than standard 3g/day dosing?...just curious...
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    PA, not sure if you've answered this before...but what's the upper limit of DAA you've experimented with, how long? As in, have you dosed it 6g/day for 3 weeks, 6 weeks...longer/shorter...effects of higher dosing any noticable than standard 3g/day dosing?...just curious...

    i dont remember

    i have done 6 grams a day some days 9. this was a while back. i was doing good in the gym

    i was not controlling every variable in my life so i cant give you any reliable feedback.

    u have to understand that i have alot of projects going on and i am often taking my staple supplements in addition to testing one or more experimental supplements at one time. I am not the person to go to for feedback on single supplements or any feedback other than whether a particular supplement has made me ill or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i dont remember

    i have done 6 grams a day some days 9. this was a while back. i was doing good in the gym

    i was not controlling every variable in my life so i cant give you any reliable feedback.

    u have to understand that i have alot of projects going on and i am often taking my staple supplements in addition to testing one or more experimental supplements at one time. I am not the person to go to for feedback on single supplements or any feedback other than whether a particular supplement has made me ill or something
    lol, I DO understand that, dear sir. The answer you gave is what I was looking for/expecting... Tks!
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    can elevate estrogens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveMcNaul View Post
    can elevate estrogens?
    I think pa answeared this in a q&a thread on testforce 2 on phf he said anything that effectively raise test would also raise estrogen apart from anti-estrogens or something along those lines
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    Hey PA,
    I'm 34 and have five AAS cycles under my belt over the past 15 years. Never had any gyno on AAS and never used an AI or serm while on or during PCT. I took DAA 3g/day for 29 days, found gyno on left nip during 4th week. Prolactin kinda gyno, stopped DAA, took some Nolva and Erase supp which worked in about four days. My question is about the conversion of DAA to NMDA and whether or not the NMDA will cross the blood-brain barrier. As I'm sure you know, NMDA is an exitotoxin which concerns me. I've noticed many people stating a better state of mind while on DAA which I do agree with but my patience lever was considerably lower than usual. I had less patience than I did on Test E/Dbol. Anyway, I'd like to start taking DAA again but I'm concerned about the mental effects if any... Just wanted to get your thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcf4696 View Post
    . My question is about the conversion of DAA to NMDA and whether or not the NMDA will cross the blood-brain barrier. As I'm sure you know, NMDA is an exitotoxin which concerns me. I've noticed many people stating a better state of mind while on DAA which I do agree with but my patience lever was considerably lower than usual. I had less patience than I did on Test E/Dbol. Anyway, I'd like to start taking DAA again but I'm concerned about the mental effects if any... Just wanted to get your thoughts.
    it probably converts in the brain to NMDA and perhaps peripherally as well. NMDA should cross the blood brain barrier
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    So the chances of exitotoxicity is highly likely then? Would there be symptoms of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcf4696 View Post
    So the chances of exitotoxicity is highly likely then? Would there be symptoms of this?

    nmda is an endogenous amino acid that serves a necessary biological function. However when it is administered into brain/nervous tissue in excessive amounts it is toxic. there is nothing in the literature to suggest that consuming gram quantities of DAA result in toxic concentrations of DAA
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    Thanks, I appreciate your time Pat. Hopefully there will be some studies in the future on how much DAA consumption is safe but till then, I'll what the guru did...just use it and see.
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    Thanks, I appreciate your time Pat. Hopefully there will be some studies in the future on how much DAA consumption is safe but till then, I'll what the guru did...just use it and see.
    i suppose we can give rats some large dosages of oral DAA for a while and then sacrifice them and examine their brain cells. Dunno what kind of human study could be done though in this regard
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    Is there no biomarkers in the bloodstream that can determine particular cell damage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcf4696 View Post
    Is there no biomarkers in the bloodstream that can determine particular cell damage?

    for the brain i dunno but its a good question

    if there was though i think i would have heard of it as brain degenerative diseases are very extensively studied. i never heard of a blood screeeing for alzheimers, parkinsons, huntingtons etc. all they do is watch symptoms and do brain scans
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    I've heard that from many people. I think I'll probably still cycle it only due to possible down regulation or loss of efficacy.
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    I've heard that from many people. I think I'll probably still cycle it only due to possible down regulation or loss of efficacy.

    What are you expecting it to downregulate
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    Any possible receptors that it binds to, if any. I'm not sure the exact mechanism by which it works but as you know, your body will adjust to anything that is constantly ingested and a tolerance will likely occur decreasing the effectiveness of the chemical.
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    Any possible receptors that it binds to, if any. I'm not sure the exact mechanism by which it works but as you know, your body will adjust to anything that is constantly ingested and a tolerance will likely occur decreasing the effectiveness of the chemical.

    You arent going to downregulate anything with DAA
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    Any1 notice any rash or bloating from DAA?
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    Any1 notice any rash or bloating from DAA?
    I've used in for a long time and I've never had any such symptoms
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