Dr. D... your thoughts on TUDCA for AAS/DS use

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  1. Im going to give it a shot... going to run it along side my organ shield...
    $40 to save my liver is pennies in my eyes...
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    so what is the most effective liver protectant product in your view?
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    Abstinence.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    so what is the most effective liver protectant product in your view?
    TUDCA + NAC + silymarin
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    TUDCA + NAC + silymarin
    Ursodiol 300mg BID + Aegis 2 caps BID + 1 Gallon H20 a day = I should have just bought more Urso...

    Maybe I will half my Ursodiol dose and stack with Aegis since I am the proud owner of an opened bottle. I do commend Antaeus for making a not complete garbage liver support supplement (that's a long list), but UDCA 600mg/day is hard to beat. Let the body conjugate it with taurine or glycine and save money. Or...

    Test IM + Tren IM + hCG + Aromasin = orals not necessary, nor liver support (IME)

  5. Quote Originally Posted by dumbhick3 View Post
    Ursodiol 300mg BID + Aegis 2 caps BID + 1 Gallon H20 a day = I should have just bought more Urso...

    Maybe I will half my Ursodiol dose and stack with Aegis since I am the proud owner of an opened bottle. I do commend Antaeus for making a not complete garbage liver support supplement (that's a long list), but UDCA 600mg/day is hard to beat. Let the body conjugate it with taurine or glycine and save money. Or...

    Test IM + Tren IM + hCG + Aromasin = orals not necessary, nor liver support (IME)
    Ursodiol has been my choice as of late as well, and I really don't see a reason to choose otherwise.
    Just inject.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Ursodiol has been my choice as of late as well, and I really don't see a reason to choose otherwise.
    Having tried them all but Aegis solo, and with bloodwork for all, I have to agree.

    @H2S-if Aegis + 600mg/day of UDCA adds additional value by way of keeping my TA's in the sub 3x ULN range, I'd pay the extra cost. I've thought of trying 900mg/day of UDCA, but I think side effects may become more of an issue at that level, and that is pushing $2 a day as well. Most seem to be able to gobble down Superdrol and similar without any issues though, so UDCA solo for most would likely be the best choice for 17aa collateral damage control (HDL notwithstanding).

    Ursodiol - less filler, tastes great*

    *I lied

  7. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Ursodiol has been my choice as of late as well, and I really don't see a reason to choose otherwise.
    Ursodiol? Havnt heard of that, i 'spose ill have to look it up.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by dumbhick3 View Post
    Having tried them all but Aegis solo, and with bloodwork for all, I have to agree.

    @H2S-if Aegis + 600mg/day of UDCA adds additional value by way of keeping my TA's in the sub 3x ULN range, I'd pay the extra cost. I've thought of trying 900mg/day of UDCA, but I think side effects may become more of an issue at that level, and that is pushing $2 a day as well. Most seem to be able to gobble down Superdrol and similar without any issues though, so UDCA solo for most would likely be the best choice for 17aa collateral damage control (HDL notwithstanding).

    Ursodiol - less filler, tastes great*

    *I lied
    Agreed on all fronts, except for the bolded lie, lol. My first run of it utilized an RC preparation in powder form, caps are definitely more appropriate...
    Just inject.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Ursodiol? Havnt heard of that, i 'spose ill have to look it up.
    Ursodiol is Ursodeoxycholic Acid = UDCA.
    Just inject.
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  10. What sides from UDCA & TUDCA?
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    so what is the most effective liver protectant product in your view?
    If this was directed at me and we are really talking "any expense;" the versatility of that added by SAMe + BCAAs is surely superior and you get MUCH, MUCH more collective efficacy on other pathologies during an oral C17AA cycle. Nothing wrong, however, with NAC (although studies haven't really shown a lot of ORAL superiority and efficacy for things outside of tylenol toxicity when really looking at toxicology data) or Milk Thistle (provided you can actually get a good Silymarin concentration / labeling is incorrect in 95% of cases). I also am a fan of LOLA, but good quantities of this can also get expensive.


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  12. Good question

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    What sides from UDCA & TUDCA?
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii

    If this was directed at me and we are really talking "any expense;" the versatility of that added by SAMe + BCAAs is surely superior and you get MUCH, MUCH more collective efficacy on other pathologies during an oral C17AA cycle. Nothing wrong, however, with NAC (although studies haven't really shown a lot of ORAL superiority and efficacy for things outside of tylenol toxicity when really looking at toxicology data) or Milk Thistle (provided you can actually get a good Silymarin concentration / labeling is incorrect in 95% of cases). I also am a fan of LOLA, but good quantities of this can also get expensive.

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    What kind of SAMe dosage are we talkin?
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by stankyleg View Post
    What kind of SAMe dosage are we talkin?
    I'll help D_ out as I'm sure he's pretty busy as usual. write up: http://*******/KOvGxF dosage: http://*******/NukQUS Couldn't find the link to where he tested brands, but I know this is on the list, it's what I take, and honestly, I just take 1 pill/day (400mg active) pretty much all the time (on, pct, whenever) for all the benefits, since it's so cheap. Now, I honestly never worry about my liver, even run 8 wk long double methyls are strong dosages and my values always come back right in range whenver I check. I had my father dose 2/day (800mg active) for a month after he got diagnosed with a fatty liver from drinking too much, and his fatty liver went away and his values went back in range... and while he cut back I think, he didn't even quit drinking. So yea, I'm a SAMe fan.

  15. im starting my aegis a week before i start my pmag. Should i not also supplement AI lifesupport (which has nac and milk thistle)? i wasnt sure if itd be too much and should just take a aegis.

  16. If you're running a barbaric cycle, I would ad it. If not, it's probably overkill but it's going to hurt anything. Perhaps you gain a little better peace of mind, some added detox properties and sme anti-oxidant activity as well.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by stankyleg View Post
    What kind of SAMe dosage are we talkin?

    I'm not sure if people caught the links because of the foreign forum **** - age, but

    400mg SAMe (not binding component) dosed about 4 hours from C-17 alpha-alkylated oral agents.

    In other words...a dosing schedule might look like this:

    6 am - C17 Alpha-alkylated Agent
    10 am - SAMe dose 1
    2 pm - C17 Alpha-alkylated Agent
    6pm - SAMe dose 2

    For anyone that thinks this is too complex; abort use of these agents and deal with the fact that you are not ready.


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  18. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii View Post
    For anyone that thinks this is too complex; abort use of these agents and deal with the fact that you are not ready.


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  19. Could we try to get the links for SAMe re-posted? Would really like to read them. Could try putting them in to ******* which would then copy over to this forum instead of the link being censored.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Could we try to get the links for SAMe re-posted? Would really like to read them. Could try putting them in to ******* which would then copy over to this forum instead of the link being censored.
    post edited to use shortened url's that aren't getting *****ed - that said if you want to read up on D_'s writings, I would peruse the rest of that subsection.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii View Post
    I'm not sure if people caught the links because of the foreign forum **** - age, but

    400mg SAMe (not binding component) dosed about 4 hours from C-17 alpha-alkylated oral agents.

    In other words...a dosing schedule might look like this:

    6 am - C17 Alpha-alkylated Agent
    10 am - SAMe dose 1
    2 pm - C17 Alpha-alkylated Agent
    6pm - SAMe dose 2

    For anyone that thinks this is too complex; abort use of these agents and deal with the fact that you are not ready.


    D_
    heya D_, long time... Question for you on this... I used to go to the trouble of separating the doses in time, but I've gotten lazy lately (as I take Doctor's Best SAME 400mg active - one of your approved brands every day, year round now) while on-cycle as I take vitamins/pills 3x/day and when dosing orals 3x/day I started just throwing SAMe in with one of those doses - I know it's bad, but sometimes when there's so many rules to follow, I forget what things are important. This has reminded me to separate the dosages of heptaprotectants and C17 orals, but I went and looked and couldn't find a good answer as to "why" - and knowing why will help me keep this good habit in place - is this to prevent the SAMe from "strengthening" the liver such that less active steroid makes it past it's enzymes, or to make the SAMe more effective in repairing the liver during a time when there's less "stress" on it? i.e. when making this mistake am I making my oral less effective or my SAMe less effective? I know these are laymen's terms/ideas, I'm just trying to get a feeling of what's been happening when I haven't been following this rule. Thanks.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by muad33b

    heya D_, long time... Question for you on this... I used to go to the trouble of separating the doses in time, but I've gotten lazy lately (as I take Doctor's Best SAME 400mg active - one of your approved brands every day, year round now) while on-cycle as I take vitamins/pills 3x/day and when dosing orals 3x/day I started just throwing SAMe in with one of those doses - I know it's bad, but sometimes when there's so many rules to follow, I forget what things are important. This has reminded me to separate the dosages of heptaprotectants and C17 orals, but I went and looked and couldn't find a good answer as to "why" - and knowing why will help me keep this good habit in place - is this to prevent the SAMe from "strengthening" the liver such that less active steroid makes it past it's enzymes, or to make the SAMe more effective in repairing the liver during a time when there's less "stress" on it? i.e. when making this mistake am I making my oral less effective or my SAMe less effective? I know these are laymen's terms/ideas, I'm just trying to get a feeling of what's been happening when I haven't been following this rule. Thanks.
    Bump, as I'm interested as well...

  23. Quote Originally Posted by lboston

    Bump, as I'm interested as well...
    So, D_ is saying you need 800mg per day of SAMe?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    So, D_ is saying you need 800mg per day of SAMe?
    2 doses, 400mg

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam

    2 doses, 400mg
    Thanks
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