Dr. D... your thoughts on TUDCA for AAS/DS use
- 05-18-2012, 07:49 PM
If you're running a barbaric cycle, I would ad it. If not, it's probably overkill but it's going to hurt anything. Perhaps you gain a little better peace of mind, some added detox properties and sme anti-oxidant activity as well.A-Minds HYPE-SLAYER! All posts & feedback are guaranteed to be unsolicited and legit
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- 05-28-2012, 07:47 PM
I'm not sure if people caught the links because of the foreign forum **** - age, but
400mg SAMe (not binding component) dosed about 4 hours from C-17 alpha-alkylated oral agents.
In other words...a dosing schedule might look like this:
6 am - C17 Alpha-alkylated Agent
10 am - SAMe dose 1
2 pm - C17 Alpha-alkylated Agent
6pm - SAMe dose 2
For anyone that thinks this is too complex; abort use of these agents and deal with the fact that you are not ready.
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- 05-28-2012, 07:49 PM
06-15-2012, 04:18 PM
Could we try to get the links for SAMe re-posted? Would really like to read them. Could try putting them in to ******* which would then copy over to this forum instead of the link being censored.
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08-30-2012, 09:57 AM
Thanks man-have you ever done labs and gotten results back that you could share? I'm particularly interested as to how this would affect liver function.Originally Posted by muad33b
08-30-2012, 02:19 PM
Every time I do blood work my liver values are right where they should be, even after long 8 week double methyl cycles... haven't had it checked recently, but that time is here as I'm just finishing PCT so I'll try to remember to post back here the next results I get... last cycle was 5 weeks ago and was 8 weeks of mechabol @ 75/day and then weeks 7-9 dymethazine (which was brutal, by the end my skin started getting itchy and my piss smelled horrible and looked like dark tea - signs of liver strain.. that last week of dymeth was too much) which I will say was prob the most foolish cycle I've run... I had a lot going on stress wise so I just said "**** it"... not a cycle I would recommended. Anyhow, I had run SAM-e @ 400mg/day (Doctor's Best - a D_ approved brand) for months straight before hand, during, and have been running it since (I haven't doubled up cause $$ was tight) so it'll be interesting to see what my values are at in a week or two when I get blood work. That will be after about 6 weeks of PCT.
That said, I don't think I could have done what I did without the SAM-e... and if I had gone to 800/day on cycle I probably could have got away with more... but I'm not going to try it again to see lol.
08-30-2012, 02:32 PM
So even with the double methyls your values were normal!? Does SAMe seem to help with lipids as well? I'm impressed. Don't think I'd take it that extreme...lol...but impressed!Originally Posted by muad33b
08-30-2012, 09:36 PM
09-08-2012, 10:49 PM
Is it better to use SAMe pct or on cycle or both? Also could I use tudca at 1 gram along with it? I would assume take tudca and SAMe 4 hours after ingestion of methylated oral. Also trying to figure out what LOLA is and what brand sells reputable sylmarin (milk thistle)? Last question...almost there...is it recommended to buy a cycle assist supplement or is it better to buy ingredients separately to design your own?
09-11-2012, 11:07 AM
That said, there is the idea that if you can get away without liver protection while on cycle, there might be more active anabolic in your system as your liver is less able to keep up with the demands... however, this is kind of towards the questions I've got earlier in this thread to D_ regarding the timing of SAMe on-cycle.
10-16-2012, 06:22 AM
Wanna see blood test results after using TUDCA at 500mg/day?
summary: (liver values)
1) normal range
2) older results just before my UD cycle
3) current results (few days ago)
2) 116 (too low)
3) 148 (respectable :-) )
3) 33 (woot)
1) < 1
c reactive protein
1) < 1
i did a full panel actually and everything was awesome, and some better than pre cycle. didnt do during because it IS expensive.
thing is, i did UD before very similar cycle to this and most of my enzymes were elevated 5 to 15% which is still ok actually
10-17-2012, 06:20 PM
12-15-2012, 11:25 PM
From my understanding TUDCA is one of the best liver protectors there is. Milk thistle has a very poor absorption rate orally, which hurts it although it is much cheaper... NP has the cheapest I have found at 34.95 for a 30 day supply at 250mg twice a day...way,way cheaper han anywhere else I have seen...
12-16-2012, 07:47 AM
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