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02-14-2012, 12:47 PM
02-14-2012, 03:48 PM
Idebenone is of the quinone family, however, it should not be suggested as equivalent to either Ubiquinone or Ubiquinol except perhaps from an oxidation standpoint (it is in fact, a very powerful antioxidant like CoQ10) - however, Idebenone hasn't really been very well studied outside of neurologic disturbances (where it was initial market attempts were made by the pharmaceutical industry and went bust for a reason).
In any event, I will let ergo-log tell the tale of CoQ10 athletic uses (frankly because they have some citations grouped already)...
http://www.ergo-log.com/q10fat.html (as little as 30mg)
But, I would also like you to take a look at the muscle fiber differential and concentration of type IIs that declines with aging (aging that begins the MINUTE you are born).
Now - to have a significant ERGOGENIC effect, I think the average 200-lb bodybuilder needs about 400 mg of Ubiquinone OR 200 mg of Ubiquinol daily. I haven't even talked about ALL THE HEALTH ASPECTS of the compound...for anyone interested though, you can search CoQ10 and heart failure or CoQ10 and heart attack or CoQ10 and stroke. I think you'd be surprised at what you find.
How about the "silent killer" (hypertension or high blood pressure) - it can lower blood pressure (as suggested in a meta-analysis of like 10 trials I think) of 17 mmHg systolic and 10 mmHg diastolic. So - let's say you have a higher blood pressure of about 140/92; it'd look a lot nicer to say that was 123/82 with little effort (granted, I am SIMPLIFYING this story a LOT but for illustrative sake...it makes huge sense).
Want more health effects: extends life, reduced Parkinsonian tremors (unfortunately 1200 mg per day was ingested which wouldn't be economical in most people's land...but it is interesting - kind of like Lou Gherig's disease responding to 40 MG ... NOT mcg guys ... of Methylcobalamin - a whopping dose...these are conditions that are otherwise debilitating or life-ending). Now, please don't assume this means I suggest taking boatloads of all of these nutrients - it simply hasn't been studied so there is no way to predict what kind of results you'd get in a normal person, BUT given our lifestyle (one that I hope means you are busting your a$$ in the gym daily and you live it to the fullest) - this could be perhaps the SINGLE-MOST important element you could take from so many different levels.
I hope if I have even convinced one of you to start that it will mean something - it's not going to be instantaneous (like say a stimulant)...but give it three months and next to a baby aspirin...it may be the single-most beneficial thing you could do for yourself.
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02-15-2012, 01:30 AM
Very nice, thanks Dana...
And to anyone, is Swanson Vitamins Reputable... ie, meeting label claims etc...
02-15-2012, 06:51 AM
02-15-2012, 07:37 AM
02-15-2012, 09:26 AM
I usually shoot for NOW, Swanson, AOR, LEF or Jarrows for my single ingredient needs since I trust them for the most part.
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02-15-2012, 01:41 PM
02-15-2012, 06:09 PM
Excellent post, doc!
02-15-2012, 06:45 PM
Good info. If taking 200mg ubiquinol daily what would be the optimal way to dose it?
02-16-2012, 10:18 AM
02-16-2012, 10:26 AM
There is a superb CoQ10 product at Walmart for 28 bucks called 'Qunol' and it lasts a month at 400mg per day. I'm staring at it right now It contains MCTs, hydroxylated lecithin, and some other compounds to increase absorption. 28 bucks a month for a whopping dose to prevent heart issues, stabilize blood pressure, help prevent heart attacks, provide better oxygen utilization and superior anti-ox capacity... Money well spent!
Thank you Dr. Houser for sharing the dosage info. I have been taking 600mg per day while reducing some medication (Librium) to help prevent spikes in blood pressure and strain on the heart and now I can have my dosage verified by a doctor.
02-16-2012, 10:27 AM
Yeah that's what I've always done. I was just wondering if there would be any benefit by taking 100mg twice a day or any other split.Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
02-16-2012, 11:01 AM
Yea i take 200mgs of ubiquinol from natures bounty with a baby asprin in the am.
Went to the doc n bp was 125/72. Not bad considering high blood pressure runs in the fam.
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02-16-2012, 11:58 AM
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02-19-2012, 02:18 PM
02-19-2012, 11:10 PM
Well Dr. Houser as per your recommendation, I picked up some 400mg Ubiquinone. It was a lot more cost effective than Ubiquinol where I shop. I'm reading now that ubiquinol is up to 6x more potent than ubiquinone gram for gram...would this not necessitate a higher than 400mg dose of Ubiquinone?
03-06-2012, 11:15 AM
Well based on this I just purchased my first month worth of ubiquinol at 200mg a day. Would there be any reason to dose higher ?
03-06-2012, 11:28 AM
03-06-2012, 01:16 PM
03-07-2012, 12:16 AM
Reading everything in here and having a family history of high blood pressure I went and purchased a few months worth i'll be curious to see how it affects my BP.
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