- 12-20-2011, 03:02 AM
Re: green tea..seeing as how nature is the most synergistic of supplement makers, is it possible other things in green tea and I mean the whole leaf as you would steep to make tea, mitigate any negative hormonal effects of egcg? I am unsure of the actual egcg content in a tea bags worth of green tea or if there is variation between the different grades. Also, what about white tea? Pretty sure it also has egcg.
- 12-21-2011, 02:42 PM
- 12-28-2011, 09:32 AM
Would you not call items like Rasberry Ketones, Fuco, Usnic Acid etc - Uncoupling Agents? Heck I think even Omega 3 fats can increase uncoupling protein expression right? These seem to be one of the best ways to lose weight (Not Usnic Acid of course).
12-28-2011, 09:35 AM
Also - isnt Hoodia really an appetite suppressant? I would think this could be another category as the same company that has Testofen also has a patented Slimulina that I think works the same way - killing appetite.
Heck even 5HTP can diminish appetite a little, right? (via serotonin elevation)
12-30-2011, 08:04 PM
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EGCG is the most abundant catechin in teas of all types, EXCEPT black tea because it is usually lost in production. Now, you must understand that green tea and white tea are the same plant (as are every other type of tea, including black - but the fermentation of black renders it's EGCG content essentially nil, whereas oolong can kind of be thought of as a partial black with EGCG in between white/green and black); white tea is just young and harvested early, whereas green tea is more mature and harvested later.
Most of the research showing the health benefits of green tea is based on the amount of green tea typically consumed in Asian countries—about 3 cups per day (which would provide 240-320 mg of polyphenols). Just one cup of green tea supplies 20-35 mg of EGCG, but you're correct to say that the amount varies dependent upon brand, et al...but usually we get about 20-35 mg in the lab per cup; so take that for what it's worth. White tea is usually accepted as having a higher amount of EGCG when compared to green tea - so it is very likely that it works even moreso against SHBG if that holds true; but white tea hasn't been studied in this capacity...green tea has (alas, we may always have limitations).
As for SlimALUMA; it is an extract of Caralluma fimbriata which does, in fact, act in a way very similar to hoodia and is categorized as more of an appetite suppressant...BUT Irvinga gabonensis probably works a lot better of the three - IF you dose it high enough!!!
Serotonin cascades are actually quite fun to work with in appetite suppression; but so are other cascades like pro-adrenergic, etc...
Great topics guys; how is everyone not salivating over this discussion who actively participates in this board would be beyond me.
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12-30-2011, 08:16 PM
In the above scenario you are talking about ALA. Is there another "blood sugar supplement" (to use an intentionally broad umbrella term) you would use in these instances instead or so you believe ALA would be the superior option?
Out if interest, why would you use it with a post workout shake but not with the meal immediately following?
Thanks a lot for your response. I agree that the topic is fascinating.
01-01-2012, 10:57 AM
Lets put together a fat loss stack! Id def trial it, along side some of the supps from the top 10... should be interesting!
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01-01-2012, 05:29 PM
Great stuff Dana! We need to get you on Quantum Physiques radio show again this month!
I saw an article touting astaxanthin for weight loss - what are your thoughts?
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01-01-2012, 05:58 PM
Also Dana - what do you think of the notion that having 'cheat' days of overfeeding can keep the metabolism up and help fat loss? Seems dieting leads to lowered fat burning after as little as a week right?
01-01-2012, 11:28 PM
seen above you aprove of african mango?
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Are cortisol reducing/blocking supps worthwhile when dieting/cutting do they help with fat loss or do they just stop cortisols catabolic effects when dieting?
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Lean xtreme has been shown to be awesome at cort control, but I dont believe it's natural. As far as natural goes only thing I can think of would be something like gaba. Reason is since that is a natural anti anxiety less stress=less cortisol. I could be wrong on that one though, but thats just the way I think.
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03-24-2012, 11:12 AM
cANT USE lean extreme banned by my fed,
any other all natty posibilities for reducing cortisol? cissus any good for this?
03-24-2012, 11:40 AM
Vitamin C* cheapest and quite effective, I can't pull the studies up right now but especially for cortisol induced by exercise, vitamin C does an amazing jog at controlling it.Originally Posted by miniarnold
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03-24-2012, 02:40 PM
i use 500mg of ester c 4 times daily as an anti-oxidant, i forgot its supposed to help cortisol, and its supposed to help testosterone i believe
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