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Glucose Disposal Agents - Q&A with Dr. Dana Houser

  1.  11-17-2011  08:59 PM
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    Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    Great thread!

    So what is your recommended dose of R-ala or Na-rala in terms of a lower carb meal for ex. 50g or less, and a larger carb meal of say 100-200g?
    I would love to hear your thoughts on this. As well as your preference between ALA, R-ALA, and NA-RALA



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    Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds

    I would love to hear your thoughts on this. As well as your preference between ALA, R-ALA, and NA-RALA
    Me too, I've been doing a lot of reading on the topic and it seems to have some solid science backing its effects on glucose.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/226926-bigriggs-creignite-log.html#post3916375

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    Na-R-Ala is the effective isomer and it is highly soluble so I'm sure he's going to pick Na-R-Ala .

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    Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    Na-R-Ala is the effective isomer and it is highly soluble so I'm sure he's going to pick Na-R-Ala .
    WE SHALL SEE!!!
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/226926-bigriggs-creignite-log.html#post3916375

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    What do you think about recompadrol?

    I eat very low carb and when I eat a meal with 10-20g carbs I usually have 1 cap of recompadrol prior.

    I saw your post about refeeds and stopped taking it when i have my refeeds now

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    Originally Posted by RawStrength View Post
    What do you think about recompadrol?

    I eat very low carb and when I eat a meal with 10-20g carbs I usually have 1 cap of recompadrol prior.

    I saw your post about refeeds and stopped taking it when i have my refeeds now
    this comes to an individuality.

    VS in rats is shown to increase leptin sensitivy when leptin is injected into them.

    your able to kind of offset some of the fat gain via ACL inhibiton and PPARy down regulation along with increased glycogenolysis.

    the insulin increase will still occur you just may need more to get the same responce which is fine if doing a refeed. general refeeds for a 180-185 lb individual (as per dan duchaines kg x 16) is about 1250-1440 carbs in the 2 days. Im sorry but im not doing that wityout a saftey net. Dan duchaine also advocates things like VS for refeeds as well as phenformin OR metformin (which berberine works very similar to show in human studies at 1500mg per day i believe)

    also if your having a **** meal and not a real refeed you want to down regulate gene expression associated with fat gain.

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    Whoa! This is another thread that has gotten a lot of response; but unfortunately it will take me some time to wade through all the posts to give any kind of educated responses. I will likely have some time to offer much more with the holiday weekend.



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    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...201000534/full

    ALA on a cheat meal or refeed , after reading this i dont think so!!!!

    dont want to inhibit secrection unless leptin resistant in which case its a golden supplement.

    this also says it doesnt activate the insulin pathway...

    i need full article.

    Keywords:

    • Lipoic acid;
    • Leptin;
    • Obesity;
    • PI3K;
    • Sp1 transcription factor

    Abstract

    Scope: Lipoic acid (LA) is an antioxidant with therapeutic potential on several diseases such as diabetes and obesity. Hyperleptinemia and oxidative stress play a major role in the development of obesity-linked diseases. The aim of this study was to examine in vivo and in vitro the effects of LA on leptin production, as well as to elucidate the mechanisms and signalling pathways involved in LA actions.

    Methods and results: Dietary supplementation with LA decreased both circulating leptin, and adipose tissue leptin mRNA in rats. Treatment of 3T3-L1 adipocytes with LA caused a concentration-dependent inhibition of leptin secretion and gene expression. Moreover, LA stimulated the anaerobic utilization of glucose to lactate, which negatively correlated with leptin secretion. Furthermore, LA enhanced phosphorylation of Sp1 and inhibited Sp1 transcriptional activity in 3T3-L1 adipocytes. Moreover, LA inhibited Akt phosphorylation, a downstream target of phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase (PI3K). Treatment with the PI3K inhibitor LY294002 mimicked LA actions, dramatically inhibiting both leptin secretion and gene expression and stimulating Sp1 phosphorylation.

    Conclusion: All of these data suggest that the phosphorylation of Sp1 and the accompanying reduced DNA-binding activity are likely to be involved in the inhibition of leptin induced by LA, which could be mediated in part by the abrogation of the PI3K/Akt pathway.

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    Originally Posted by ssbackwards View Post
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...201000534/full

    ALA on a cheat meal or refeed , after reading this i dont think so!!!!

    dont want to inhibit secrection unless leptin resistant in which case its a golden supplement.

    this also says it doesnt activate the insulin pathway...

    i need full article.

    Keywords:

    • Lipoic acid;
    • Leptin;
    • Obesity;
    • PI3K;
    • Sp1 transcription factor
    Abstract

    Scope: Lipoic acid (LA) is an antioxidant with therapeutic potential on several diseases such as diabetes and obesity. Hyperleptinemia and oxidative stress play a major role in the development of obesity-linked diseases. The aim of this study was to examine in vivo and in vitro the effects of LA on leptin production, as well as to elucidate the mechanisms and signalling pathways involved in LA actions.

    Methods and results: Dietary supplementation with LA decreased both circulating leptin, and adipose tissue leptin mRNA in rats. Treatment of 3T3-L1 adipocytes with LA caused a concentration-dependent inhibition of leptin secretion and gene expression. Moreover, LA stimulated the anaerobic utilization of glucose to lactate, which negatively correlated with leptin secretion. Furthermore, LA enhanced phosphorylation of Sp1 and inhibited Sp1 transcriptional activity in 3T3-L1 adipocytes. Moreover, LA inhibited Akt phosphorylation, a downstream target of phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase (PI3K). Treatment with the PI3K inhibitor LY294002 mimicked LA actions, dramatically inhibiting both leptin secretion and gene expression and stimulating Sp1 phosphorylation.

    Conclusion: All of these data suggest that the phosphorylation of Sp1 and the accompanying reduced DNA-binding activity are likely to be involved in the inhibition of leptin induced by LA, which could be mediated in part by the abrogation of the PI3K/Akt pathway.
    Wow.. that's some news.

    I haven't been using GDAs on refeed day since this 3d, but at this point
    wouldn't be better not to use ALA AT ALL when dieting to avoid further drop of leptin?
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    Dang this is horrible. Any idea how relevant/significant this study was? I mean there is so much more saying that ALA is a wonder supplement. I dont know if I'd toss it out because of this one study.
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    Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Dang this is horrible. Any idea how relevant/significant this study was? I mean there is so much more saying that ALA is a wonder supplement. I dont know if I'd toss it out because of this one study.
    cant really know aside from the full study to review it all.

    AK- wouldnt matter while dieting, it would just make it less time to do a refeed

    for example every 5 instead of 7 or something like that i would assume.

    i only use it on refeed. and a lot of it. i saw no difference... however....... i havent taken it in almost 2 weeks. and im leaner now then i was. at prolly same caloric intake.

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    Sometimes I'm under the impression that we simply know very lil about what really happens inside our bodies,
    every other day there is a study coming out stating completely the opposite of the one before, and different from
    the one that will come.

    Bah, I'll start to really cut *a lot* of stuff that I use to take, stick to the basics,
    few good product that I know they work on me, good prewo and that's it.
    Diet and kick ass training will do the rest
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    Originally Posted by AutoKal47
    Sometimes I'm under the impression that we simply know very lil about what really happens inside our bodies,
    every other day there is a study coming out stating completely the opposite of the one before, and different from
    the one that will come.

    Bah, I'll start to really cut *a lot* of stuff that I use to take, stick to the basics,
    few good product that I know they work on me, good prewo and that's it.
    Diet and kick ass training will do the rest
    Haha. Yup.
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    ALA is amazing, i wont cut it out. i simply just dose higher.

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    Originally Posted by ssbackwards
    ALA is amazing, i wont cut it out. i simply just dose higher.
    I dose ala pretty high as well. But mainly for overall health. Not just for gda
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    Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    I dose ala pretty high as well. But mainly for overall health. Not just for gda
    i gotta kilo of powder coming to my house this week!

    and 1000 00 caps. gunna cap by hand and some other goodies. goat rue 3% gymnemma HCA yellowgold banaba (all mixed together)

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    Originally Posted by ssbackwards

    i gotta kilo of powder coming to my house this week!

    and 1000 00 caps. gunna cap by hand and some other goodies. goat rue 3% gymnemma HCA yellowgold banaba (all mixed together)
    Omfg. That's one hell of a nutrient partitioner. Yg is great!!
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    I am not sure if this was asked/answered yet but someone who has taken GDAs can chime in...I am going to start my first GDA got glyocobol on sale so that is going to be my first go. Do you have to cycle off GDAs or is it a supplement you can consider a staple?

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    Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I am not sure if this was asked/answered yet but someone who has taken GDAs can chime in...I am going to start my first GDA got glyocobol on sale so that is going to be my first go. Do you have to cycle off GDAs or is it a supplement you can consider a staple?
    I do cycle Glycobol, I don't cycle Recompadrol, I still have to open the bottle of Slin Sane
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