Top 10 Supplements
- 10-18-2011, 01:45 AM
- 10-18-2011, 04:08 AM
right on man!
i shave with it too!
i mix a few drops of cedar and/or sage oil in some coconut oil (extra virgin, yes, best smell and flavor) and slather the jawline.
the razor GLIDES man! leaves the skin smooth, clean, and naturally resistant to infection, fungus, etc.
thanks for the reps...
feels good to be of the same mind with a man like yourself...
- 10-18-2011, 09:59 AM
10-18-2011, 02:02 PM
10-18-2011, 02:07 PM
10-18-2011, 02:40 PM
I seriously will never go back to shaving creams or gels. I might switch to some non virgin coconut oil though as EVCO starts to get expensive when you are using it for so many things daily
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
10-18-2011, 02:54 PM
Hmm...I'm not even sure I have a "top 10" supplements lol. I personally believe that most of these things are gimmicks at best and the clinical studies done for the majority of these are too narrow or the test base is way too small to make accurate conclusions. With that said, here are my "staples" if you will...
Non-hormonal aka supporting supps:
1)UDCA (low dose 250mg/day)
8)GHRP's [Ipa and (-2)]
1)Testosterone and it's derivatives
10-18-2011, 05:58 PM
so whats the suggested dosing on Coq10 to achieve the mentioned results and what duration should that be attempted? constant?
10-18-2011, 06:25 PM
Just ordered some Selenium, Curcumin, Magnesium, ALCAR, CoQ10, Vitamin C / D, and a B complex...feels nice to place an order that I know will directly benefit my health, and not just strictly performance/size blah blah.
Also grabbed some DAA, for my next stack I'm throwing together. Already have BA (Intraxcell), Omega3's (oximega), and creatine (Creatine RT).
This thread is definitely a step in the right direction, and it really hit home when Dana made a point that our goals for whichever sport we compete should in no way compete with the priority of our own health...and in fact they should be focused on cohesively in a sense.
Health = longevity
Longevity = More time for success
10-18-2011, 08:19 PM
10-18-2011, 08:28 PM
10-18-2011, 08:29 PM
Interestingly enough, its the "unhealthy, steroid using, overweight meatheads" that have spot on health. Honestly, 3 years ago when I was naive and took OTC steroids for the first time was the best thing that happened to me. Because of this, in fear I made a strong effort to know everything about proper hormone manipulation as well as training routines and dieting. This lead to an acute awareness on my part about my body's health. I get bloods done regularly now and am able to keep tabs on all areas of my health which is far more than I can say about most individuals.
10-21-2011, 12:38 AM
I'm gonna make some potent caps on custom capsule! CQ10 is expensive, esp if I dose it at 400mg? But I get a year's worth for $130. No one has chimed in about dosage!
10-21-2011, 12:42 AM
10-21-2011, 01:07 AM
My Top 10 Favs
2. TitaniumXL/Division 1 combo
3. Super Cissus
4. Bulk P-slin
6. Anabolic Ignite
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10-21-2011, 11:00 AM
10-21-2011, 03:29 PM
hmmm so really NO ONE knows an appropriate dose??? Im sure D isnt the only one here with some knowledge on the subject... any studies with a specific dose showing changes in fiber content??
10-21-2011, 03:32 PM
Under the Age of 35: 100-200 mg of Ubiquinone (plain CoQ10) once daily
Over the Age of 35: 100 mg of Ubiquinol CoQ10. Therefore, you don't have to worry about conversion rates since it is already in active form. Younger people can get away with plain ubiquinone.
10-21-2011, 03:33 PM
so i read back....
I guess thats a starting point but this is only for 4 weeks.... is it safe to continue this dosage for longer periods of time? I dont even know whats rec on a bottle honestly....Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd
10-21-2011, 03:39 PM
I wonder what this means for the study then and if dose was increased due solely to age and what form of CoQ10 was actually used to equate a safe and reasonable dose to use for younger aged individuals.
My guess is ubiquinone is cheaper too and the reason why its suggested if one can adequately convert it???
10-21-2011, 04:19 PM
10-21-2011, 04:19 PM
10-21-2011, 04:21 PM
10-21-2011, 06:04 PM
Awesome fellas! thanks for the info. I'll be going on a supp buying spree in december with my bonus check and this will have to be on the list.... Think ill start at 300 and go from there.
Any conflicts with running a high dose on cycle, increased blood pressure etc? As I'll start my winter bulk cycle at the same time...
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10-21-2011, 08:11 PM
As much as you can invest in daily (spices, supplements, et al... ---> it's bioavailability is unfortunately poor in most instances. I think Biotest has a good version with piperine at least in it).
6. L-carnitine (all forms, but LOVE LCLT/PLC/ALCAR combo); I agree, I'll be honest the original form started leaning me out! I plan on taking 5g p/d.
I currently take 3 grams of each of those mentioned per day (9 total grams; of course elemental carnitine will vary dependent upon the salt).
5. Leucine (NOT all BCAAs; leucine alone is overlooked and the only sole ketogenic BCAA); Any info on timing?
Very program-specific, but I talked about this to some degree in the BCAA Discussion thread. 25% the total amino acid pool is a base, if you are going to take any "extra" - around the workout (post-workout is MUCH MORE important than pre-workout despite what supplement advertisement would lend you to believe) and/or first thing in the morning. There's not a lot of reason to have BCAAs and/or leucine beyond 25% your total amino pool...if you get this from food stuffs...great!
As many appear to say later in this thread...200-400mg of ubiquinol is a good start. Minimally double the value if using ubiquinone.3. CoQ10 (multi-function strikes again - can change type I muscle fibers to type IIs; can protect the heart; act as an antioxidant, etc...); This actual form, or the other form? How much should we take?
As for Lecithin, lecithin is derived from the Greek word for Egg Yolk - its first isolation point. Some may be better familiar with its second dubbing - phosphatidylcholine...which gives us reason to talk about it.
Obviously through metabolic processing, it provides us with choline, conveniently one part of the acetylcholine molecule, a neurotransmitter for proper brain and nerve functioning in its most basic of understanding. Since we commercialized it and it became a rather en vogue substance when researchers made the connection between choline and brain functioning, its extraction process shifted toward the soybean - which offers a consistent source of EFAs [to me - far better than flax or hemp, which kind of upended it with their own evolution]. Lecithin's emulsification properties (it's a HUGE component of bile) are thought to keep cholesterol in check - which to me has always been debatable as I think many more fats do this, yet for different reasons.
Now, especially if you're an endurance athlete ... it may have a very important role as it has been hypothesized that runners in the Boston Marathon possess low choline levels, which subsequently imparts a dleterious effect on long-term output potential for the nervous system (i.e. - subsequent neuronal firing to continue muscles moving, etc...). Shoot, lecithin is important for creatine synthesis and might bode well in forthcoming creatine beverages to some level if it could be worked out, hypothesized to essentially increase strength based on this fact.
The only problem I have seen is that studies involving upwards of 20-35 grams have produced MIXED RESULTS (and I remain a study guy for my dollars). Does that mean I write it off, HELL NO!!! I am just not sure I can offer the best of recommendations - think about it...it helps aid in liver detoxification processes which may impart a better final product action than any other liver detox agent --- all the NAC's, TUDA, et al may not even ultimately match up and in a case where we tend to overdo it sometimes in a virtually flooded C17 alkylated PH/PS/AAS world these days, it may have worth for all of us yet. I think too - it has shown some effects to boost HDL levels (another issue with long-term steroid users, etc...) but I would have to revisit the literature to offer anything concrete here.
So - its a mixed bag, my lack of conclusion is solely because of the mixed reviews and I am NOT sure I could offer a concrete suggestion...just that...maybe it has benefit, maybe it doesn't mean so much in affordable doses ... if you like it, use it.
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10-21-2011, 08:25 PM
I could certainly see insomnia (again, more reactions - for which if this did crop up...I would cut back on the final dose of the day), but NOT pain on urination - that I would seek out another cause. If you suggest your pain on urination went away with stopping B Vitamins, I would say something in the brand you chose was off OR we're talking complete idiosyncrisy.
I think we talked about the relative acidity in the DAA thread, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.also DAA gave me the WORST heartburn i have ever had in my life! had to drop it fast! why i ask?
also HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE/???:
I don't blame you for challenging this as it is contradictory to common thought. I am an avid believer that we should do anything BUT lie victim to our genetics; remember - there's an entire field known as "epigenetics" (subject of a recent radio show on rxmuscle I did) where things literally "above" genetics can occur...environmental things can certainly influence phenotype (i.e. - what you look like). Type IIs are very modifiable actually; they are also subject to the most hypertrophy (growth in size), but we even decided a few years ago that were subject to hyperplasia (growth of new ones) and previous thinking was off...the same thinking fell through for neuron regeneration as well.3. CoQ10 (multi-function strikes again - can change type I muscle fibers to type IIs; can protect the heart; act as an antioxidant, etc...);
i was under the sumption that once your born with a muscle make up, that one COULD NOT CHANGE THEIR MUSCLE FIBER TYPES, but could learn to train them instead, i was not aware that ones genetics could change by a single supplement, at all!
IF THIS IS IN FACT A TRUTH, THEN THE FDA WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THIS, AND ALSO WE HAVE FOUND THE "MAGIC PILL!!!"
please do explain in laymans terms and non of that doctor type lingos, because i might throw in the flag on this one!
Great looking rest of your list though IMO.10 resveratrol and quercetin - resv = bulk powder. too many reasons to use it. querc = - too many reasons to use it, helps stuff like resveratrol work, cheap.
9 lclt/alcar combo - bulk powders. too many reasons to use these
8 green foods powder - chlorella, spirulina, veggies, mixed into a shake, usually post workout or pre-bed.
using NOW green phytofoods atm...
7 coq10, ala, sam-e/tmg, cinnamon, ginger, garlic, olive oil - tie!
6 multimineral - using a NOW product, actually 1/2 daily dose, with 1/2 tab crushed and added to intra drink on wo days too. generating less than 1/4 the selenium recommended by d_. need to get a selenium supp in the mail asap!
5 omega 3s - keep them in the fridge!
4 coconut oil - outside and inside, good for you, helps absorption of phs and fat soluble stuffs, full of mct's (lauric acid, anyone?), antimicrobial, use on skin too mixed with other essential oils, cedar being one of my favorites.
3 vitamins d and c - d = take 10,000iu/day through the winter, none in the summer with 2hours shirtless sun between 10 and 2:00/week, c = buffered with calcium and magnesium, not pre-workout.
2 turmeric/curcumin - bulk powder, dump a few grams turmeric in natty choco whey shakes, add olive/coconut oil - tastes great!
1 astaxanthin - 1 gram 1% bulk powder daily - after a couple weeks of this with curcumin, i was able to bench again after many years of heavy shoulder pain. now, 80-90% less pain doing these movements.
what i am taking away from this thread -
focus on ingredients.
get BACK on a cooenzyme b complex... dammit!
get a BACK on a selenium SPECIFIC supplement... dammit!
Anabolicminds.com Featured Author
10-21-2011, 08:43 PM
BCM-95®, Biocurcumax, Arjuna on the other hand...showed 10 times the serum value of regular curcumin. Unfortunately, bioperine alone contributes to most....so if you can get a formula with that...you're probably gonna save a lot of money.
As for your list of hormonal agents; they obviously possess a good deal of efficacy and I cannot fault your desire to use them.
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10-21-2011, 09:33 PM
10-22-2011, 09:20 PM
Would you mind elaborating a bit on the LCLT? I've read quite a bit of literature, and heard some contradicting feedback depending on who I ask. Some say the androgen upregulation, etc. allows for the enhanced binding of endogenous hormones, which will ultimately increase the efficiency of any test-boosters being ran.
Also, what's your thoughts on what to be run with DAA as far as E control goes. I was thinking a combination of I3C + Calcium D-Glucarate? If this question is not pertinent to this thread, I can ask elsewhere. Thanks!
10-23-2011, 04:48 AM
I was just recently in discussion about this in another thread and there is an obvious reason why there are so many opinions for either uregulation of AR sites or not.... I did some pulling up of studies to prove my point that AR sites were upregulated(something I had been previously convinced of through product writeups and articles) and found it wasnt fully the case...
...Well in a body building world/strength training world and just about any sport where one over exerts themselves I guess it would upregulate AR's over someone who wasnt active... but thats just it... you have to be active and specifically from a studies standpoint I think its only been proven through resistance exersice training, in other words weight lifting...
What it seems that happens is LCLT decreases the amount of damage that occurs to muscles and the AR sites within. This DOES in turn increase the effectiveness of testosterone and I think that post workout feeding is what helps to increase this as well at least from a production standpoint... So of course keep up your post workout nutrition.
Here, I looked em up again on my recent history and posted em for you to read yourself....
Androgenic responses to resistance exercise: effects of feeding and L-carnitine.
Kraemer WJ, Spiering BA, Volek JS, Ratamess NA, Sharman MJ, Rubin MR, French DN, Silvestre R, Hatfield DL, Van Heest JL, Vingren JL, Judelson DA, Deschenes MR, Maresh CM.
Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, CT 06269-1110, USA. [email protected]
- Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006 Oct;38(10):1861.
The purpose of this investigation was to determine the effects of 3 wk of L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) supplementation and post-resistance-exercise (RE) feeding on hormonal and androgen receptor (AR) responses.
Ten resistance-trained men (mean+/-SD: age, 22+/-1 yr; mass, 86.3+/-15.3 kg; height, 181+/-11 cm) supplemented with LCLT (equivalent to 2 g of L-carnitine per day) or placebo (PL) for 21 d, provided muscle biopsies for AR determinations, then performed two RE protocols: one followed by water intake, and one followed by feeding (8 kcal.kg body mass, consisting of 56% carbohydrate, 16% protein, and 28% fat). RE protocols were randomized and included serial blood draws and a 1-h post-RE biopsy. After a 7-d washout period, subjects crossed over, and all experimental procedures were repeated.
LCLT supplementation upregulated (P<0.05) preexercise AR content compared with PL (12.9+/-5.9 vs 11.2+/-4.0 au, respectively). RE increased (P<0.05) AR content compared with pre-RE values in the PL trial only. Post-RE feeding significantly increased AR content compared with baseline and water trials for both LCLT and PL. Serum total testosterone concentrations were suppressed (P<0.05) during feeding trials with respect to corresponding water and pre-RE values. Luteinizing hormone demonstrated subtle, yet significant changes in response to feeding and LCLT.
In summary, these data demonstrated that: 1) feeding after RE increased AR content, which may result in increased testosterone uptake, and thus enhanced luteinizing hormone secretion via feedback mechanisms; and 2) LCLT supplementation upregulated AR content, which may promote recovery from RE.
So you can see that no.... LCLT does not have the intrinsic ability to just create new AR sites in resting individuals and in turn increase the efficacy of testosterone boosters or exogenous hormones.... BUT in the case that one is regularly performing Resistance Exercise training (which, heh, I sure hope is the case with everyone here) and the fact that RE training will undoubtedly damage muscle tissues and AR sites, then YES! Supplementation with LCLT will protect against that damage, preserve many of the AR sites and in turn increase the efficacy of hormones that can interact with those sites....The effects of L-carnitine L-tartrate supplementation on hormonal responses to resistance exercise and recovery.
Kraemer WJ, Volek JS, French DN, Rubin MR, Sharman MJ, Gómez AL, Ratamess NA, Newton RU, Jemiolo B, Craig BW, Häkkinen K.
Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, CT 06269, USA. [email protected]
The purpose of this investigation was to examine the influence of L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) supplementation using a balanced, cross-over, placebo-controlled research design on the anabolic hormone response (i.e., testosterone [T], insulin-like growth factor-I, insulin-like growth factor-binding protein-3 [IGFBP-3], and immunofunctional and immunoreactive growth hormone [GHif and GHir]) to acute resistance exercise. Ten healthy, recreationally weight-trained men (mean +/- SD age 23.7 +/- 2.3 years, weight 78.7 +/- 8.5 kg, and height 179.2 +/- 4.6 cm) volunteered and were matched, and after 3 weeks of supplementation (2 g LCLT per day), fasting morning blood samples were obtained on six consecutive days (D1-D6). Subjects performed a squat protocol (5 sets of 15-20 repetitions) on D2. During the squat protocol, blood samples were obtained before exercise and 0, 15, 30, 120, and 180 minutes postexercise. After a 1-week washout period, subjects consumed the other supplement for a 3-week period, and the same experimental protocol was repeated using the exact same procedures. Expected exercise-induced increases in all of the hormones were observed for GHir, GHif, IGFBP-3, and T. Over the recovery period, LCLT reduced the amount of exercise-induced muscle tissue damage, which was assessed via magnetic resonance imaging scans of the thigh. LCLT supplementation significantly (p < 0.05) increased IGFBP-3 concentrations prior to and at 30, 120, and 180 minutes after acute exercise. No other direct effects of LCLT supplementation were observed on the absolute concentrations of the hormones examined, but with more undamaged tissue, a greater number of intact receptors would be available for hormonal interactions. These data support the use of LCLT as a recovery supplement for hypoxic exercise and lend further insights into the hormonal mechanisms that may help to mediate quicker recovery.
So the answer is a resounding NO but YES! lol....
Again I would love for D to either confirm, deny or expound on this principal still as I'd love to learn more.
As for DAA, those exact questions were addressed here...
DAA - Q&A with Dr. Dana Houser
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