Top 10 Supplements
- 10-14-2011, 10:10 PM
The first product looks better and the second one (not bad, just unnecessary).
As for fat-soluble vitamins...Vitamin D depends on how much you take, if you're taking D2 or D3 (I presume most on this board take D3), or if you have any absorption issues. We can't always control absorption issues...but safely 2,000-5,000IU can be taken by everyone daily of Vitamin D3...once during the day is fine as they accumulate in the liver and various other fatty areas.
Vitamin A, you'd be taking care of with your mixed carotenoid supplement. Vitamin A (retinol) itself does NOT need to be taken supplementally and could prove toxic really easy; beta-carotene (two retinol molecules put together)...is only called to action when needed. Use beta-carotene before considering a retinol supplement.
Vitamin E....I think people on this board have done well in taking all 8 isomers (A product like someone mentioned above in Primordial Performance's Toco-8 and there are some products from Jarrow and/or AOR that are decent isomer variants of the vitamin - again, once daily is plenty.
D_Anabolicminds.com Featured Author
- 10-14-2011, 10:17 PM
My top supplements.
Almost any non farm raised fish
Non farm raised fish
If most people spent the money they spent on supps on organic foods, locally grown foods, hormone free meats, etc... They would be healthier And wealthier.
Oh and again, this is my list. I MAY have an occasional protein shake if I'm pressed for time but that's about as much as I supplement.
Just me.When you leave this world, will it be a better place because you were here?
- 10-14-2011, 10:19 PM
I have got to break for the night in a minute, BUT will offer what I USE in dosing of the top 10 tomorrow at some point. You can extrapolate what you will from that.
Selenium (as I just posted) at 200-400mcg/day...not too high as it has a narrow therapeutic index (side effects are very real if going too high). I am unsure what is in the product Hgh-Up (but I did believe that to be a nighttime formula, so interesting), but I do know that ZMK is a "krebs cycle product" which some of those salts could easily account for the anxiety you feel and keeping you up at night. Let me review what is in Hgh-Up and get back to you to see if I see any pattern in ingredient/form, etc...
I don't know if everyone on the board wants kids, but - if that's the case selenium is VERY important in this regard (some may do well without procreating and they can turn a blind eye to my writing on this). I am happy everyone is taking heed to the notion that it is VERY important.
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10-14-2011, 10:21 PM
10-14-2011, 10:50 PM
10-14-2011, 11:29 PM
So complicated, lol
Ill stick to my Orange Triad, Fish Oil, Garlic Oil, E3 Live (Klamath Lake Frozen Liquid Blue Green Algae), extra Vitamin C and D.
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10-15-2011, 01:33 AM
[QUOTE=dinoiii;3044865]Nice List; I have very few gripes with it. I would suggest a switch to leucine and possibly dumping the taurine (simply to save money if you feel it's done nothing for you; I can't say I have ever gotten much from it either).
The only thing i notice from taurine it is a slight reduction in back pumps when doing deadlifts. But Ill be changing some things around in my list after reading your posts on some things in here. I read over in the bcaa thread. So you believe leucine outside of bcaa has just as much benifit? Bc your thread turned into a study war lol
10-15-2011, 03:54 PM
10-15-2011, 10:31 PM
Its like a pump in the lumbar region that can be cripling. Similar to those ppl feel when on certain AAS. I havent had the issue in ages, so ill prob drop the taurine.
10-15-2011, 11:56 PM
10-16-2011, 12:15 AM
Sub'd for more info and looking forward to hearing more doses used on these products/ingredients (minimum/maximum and optimal, along with timing).
Psalm 34:10 - "The lions may grow weak and hungry, but those who seek the Lord lack no good thing."
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10-17-2011, 03:23 AM
8. Curcumin (anti-inflammatory/pro-testosterone, can be found in every guy's cupboard I hope...understand bioavailability is poor, so take more of it!!!!); How much ? Are we talking 1g p/d?
6. L-carnitine (all forms, but LOVE LCLT/PLC/ALCAR combo); I agree, I'll be honest the original form started leaning me out! I plan on taking 5g p/d.
5. Leucine (NOT all BCAAs; leucine alone is overlooked and the only sole ketogenic BCAA); Any info on timing?
3. CoQ10 (multi-function strikes again - can change type I muscle fibers to type IIs; can protect the heart; act as an antioxidant, etc...); This actual form, or the other form? How much should we take?
10-17-2011, 12:08 PM
Where is augmatine in this list? MAN promotes it as the "Holy Grail" of bodybuilding supplements. I also know you have researched it extensively. I have tried it and I can't say it did much for me but I only used one bottle. It may need to be used for a longer period to exert it's overall effects. Moreover, it doesn't get a lot of love on the bodybuilding forums.
10-17-2011, 12:39 PM
10-17-2011, 12:42 PM
OK my 10 would be
10-17-2011, 02:15 PM
Should someone that is in a exclusively explosive sport avoid q10? Lets say a long drive golfer.. would it slow down his muscle fibers?
10-17-2011, 02:24 PM
wondering why so much b complex is suggested, as a former trainee under u i had to cut mine back to once or twice a day do to insomnia, and it hurting like hell to pee after a few days of taking b complex with every meal!
probably dont remember this but it was way too much fro me to take a b complex with every meal, kind of over use if u ask me?
also DAA gave me the WORST heartburn i have ever had in my life! had to drop it fast! why i ask?
also HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE/???:
3. CoQ10 (multi-function strikes again - can change type I muscle fibers to type IIs; can protect the heart; act as an antioxidant, etc...);
i was under the sumption that once your born with a muscle make up, that one COULD NOT CHANGE THEIR MUSCLE FIBER TYPES, but could learn to train them instead, i was not aware that ones genetics could change by a single supplement, at all!
IF THIS IS IN FACT A TRUTH, THEN THE FDA WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THIS, AND ALSO WE HAVE FOUND THE "MAGIC PILL!!!"
please do explain in laymans terms and non of that doctor type lingos, because i might throw in the flag on this one!
10-17-2011, 05:30 PM
11 dianabol - yes, there IS an 11th supplement!
10 resveratrol and quercetin - resv = bulk powder. too many reasons to use it. querc = - too many reasons to use it, helps stuff like resveratrol work, cheap.
9 lclt/alcar combo - bulk powders. too many reasons to use these
8 green foods powder - chlorella, spirulina, veggies, mixed into a shake, usually post workout or pre-bed.
using NOW green phytofoods atm...
7 coq10, ala, sam-e/tmg, cinnamon, ginger, garlic, olive oil - tie!
6 multimineral - using a NOW product, actually 1/2 daily dose, with 1/2 tab crushed and added to intra drink on wo days too. generating less than 1/4 the selenium recommended by d_. need to get a selenium supp in the mail asap!
5 omega 3s - keep them in the fridge!
4 coconut oil - outside and inside, good for you, helps absorption of phs and fat soluble stuffs, full of mct's (lauric acid, anyone?), antimicrobial, use on skin too mixed with other essential oils, cedar being one of my favorites.
3 vitamins d and c - d = take 10,000iu/day through the winter, none in the summer with 2hours shirtless sun between 10 and 2:00/week, c = buffered with calcium and magnesium, not pre-workout.
2 turmeric/curcumin - bulk powder, dump a few grams turmeric in natty choco whey shakes, add olive/coconut oil - tastes great!
1 astaxanthin - 1 gram 1% bulk powder daily - after a couple weeks of this with curcumin, i was able to bench again after many years of heavy shoulder pain. now, 80-90% less pain doing these movements.
what i am taking away from this thread -
focus on ingredients.
get BACK on a cooenzyme b complex... dammit!
get a BACK on a selenium SPECIFIC supplement... dammit!
10-17-2011, 05:44 PM
10-18-2011, 12:18 AM
Great info in here...Love it
Head Purus Labs Rep
10-18-2011, 12:45 AM
10-18-2011, 03:08 AM
right on man!
i shave with it too!
i mix a few drops of cedar and/or sage oil in some coconut oil (extra virgin, yes, best smell and flavor) and slather the jawline.
the razor GLIDES man! leaves the skin smooth, clean, and naturally resistant to infection, fungus, etc.
thanks for the reps...
feels good to be of the same mind with a man like yourself...
10-18-2011, 08:59 AM
10-18-2011, 01:02 PM
10-18-2011, 01:07 PM
10-18-2011, 01:40 PM
I seriously will never go back to shaving creams or gels. I might switch to some non virgin coconut oil though as EVCO starts to get expensive when you are using it for so many things daily
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
10-18-2011, 01:54 PM
Hmm...I'm not even sure I have a "top 10" supplements lol. I personally believe that most of these things are gimmicks at best and the clinical studies done for the majority of these are too narrow or the test base is way too small to make accurate conclusions. With that said, here are my "staples" if you will...
Non-hormonal aka supporting supps:
1)UDCA (low dose 250mg/day)
8)GHRP's [Ipa and (-2)]
1)Testosterone and it's derivatives
10-18-2011, 04:58 PM
so whats the suggested dosing on Coq10 to achieve the mentioned results and what duration should that be attempted? constant?
10-18-2011, 05:25 PM
Just ordered some Selenium, Curcumin, Magnesium, ALCAR, CoQ10, Vitamin C / D, and a B complex...feels nice to place an order that I know will directly benefit my health, and not just strictly performance/size blah blah.
Also grabbed some DAA, for my next stack I'm throwing together. Already have BA (Intraxcell), Omega3's (oximega), and creatine (Creatine RT).
This thread is definitely a step in the right direction, and it really hit home when Dana made a point that our goals for whichever sport we compete should in no way compete with the priority of our own health...and in fact they should be focused on cohesively in a sense.
Health = longevity
Longevity = More time for success
10-18-2011, 07:19 PM
10-18-2011, 07:28 PM
10-18-2011, 07:29 PM
Interestingly enough, its the "unhealthy, steroid using, overweight meatheads" that have spot on health. Honestly, 3 years ago when I was naive and took OTC steroids for the first time was the best thing that happened to me. Because of this, in fear I made a strong effort to know everything about proper hormone manipulation as well as training routines and dieting. This lead to an acute awareness on my part about my body's health. I get bloods done regularly now and am able to keep tabs on all areas of my health which is far more than I can say about most individuals.
10-20-2011, 11:38 PM
I'm gonna make some potent caps on custom capsule! CQ10 is expensive, esp if I dose it at 400mg? But I get a year's worth for $130. No one has chimed in about dosage!
10-20-2011, 11:42 PM
10-21-2011, 12:07 AM
My Top 10 Favs
2. TitaniumXL/Division 1 combo
3. Super Cissus
4. Bulk P-slin
6. Anabolic Ignite
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10-21-2011, 10:00 AM
10-21-2011, 02:29 PM
hmmm so really NO ONE knows an appropriate dose??? Im sure D isnt the only one here with some knowledge on the subject... any studies with a specific dose showing changes in fiber content??
10-21-2011, 02:32 PM
Under the Age of 35: 100-200 mg of Ubiquinone (plain CoQ10) once daily
Over the Age of 35: 100 mg of Ubiquinol CoQ10. Therefore, you don't have to worry about conversion rates since it is already in active form. Younger people can get away with plain ubiquinone.
10-21-2011, 02:33 PM
so i read back....
I guess thats a starting point but this is only for 4 weeks.... is it safe to continue this dosage for longer periods of time? I dont even know whats rec on a bottle honestly....Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd
10-21-2011, 02:39 PM
I wonder what this means for the study then and if dose was increased due solely to age and what form of CoQ10 was actually used to equate a safe and reasonable dose to use for younger aged individuals.
My guess is ubiquinone is cheaper too and the reason why its suggested if one can adequately convert it???
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