Top 10 Supplements
- 10-12-2011, 10:23 AM
- 10-12-2011, 10:38 AM
10-12-2011, 12:32 PM
Great stuff! I've just started with Magnesium oil as well in the mornings. I'm currently using 20 sprays (approx 200mg) of the Ancient Minerals blend and take another 250 mg mag citrate at night. Is that a good dosage of the oil in your experience? Also, any anecdotal effects when you take it?
10-13-2011, 03:01 PM
10-13-2011, 03:03 PM
Is it a good idea to take Astaxanthin and Beta-Carotene together? I was thinking of purcashing the two supplements below. What do you think? Also, you say you can take water soluble vitamins C and B with meals throughout the day, what is the best way and time to take fat soluble vitamins A, D, and E? Spread out from one another with meals? All at one at breakfast?
Astaxanthin Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 softgel
Servings per Container: 60
Calories 5 Calories from Fat 4 Total Fat .05g 1% Vitamin A (100% as Natural Beta-Carotene) 105 IU 2% Vitamin E (as Natural d-alpha Tocopherol) 50 IU 167% BioAstin Natural Astaxanthin (from Haematococcus pluvialis Extract) 4mg ** Lutein 40 mcg **
Natural Beta Carotene Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Softgel
Servings per Container: 180
Beta-Carotene (as pro-Vitamin A 15mg) 25,000 IU 500% Vitamin E (from Mixed Tocopherols) 5 IU 17% Lecithin (61% Phosphatides) 10mg **
10-13-2011, 03:52 PM
As far as the CLA goes, are you saying I shouldn't give up on it just yet?. Also I didn't know it was an Omega 6 fatty acid. I probably could have figured that out via google though so guess I'm just lazy with some things...Anyway I have another question for you now regarding this. I have read numerous times that people get more than enough omega 6 fatty acids from diet. Plus if you supplement with excess omega 6 fatty acids this will throw off balance between omega 3's and omega 6's causing you to become deficient in omega 3s. So now I'm even more concerned about my CLA usage..... On the Astaxanthin dosage I really have no idea on the dosage. I read about it online here. I can tell a difference in endurance since I started taking it, but not sure how large of a dose is actually needed to maintain that. Bio Mend is an antioxident supplement.
10-13-2011, 04:15 PM
10-13-2011, 06:18 PM
10-14-2011, 04:08 PM
How much Selenium daily Doc? I find that if I supplement at night it gives me anxiety and keeps me up. Quite a few products I've used in the past that contain Selenium has done this... ZMK, Hgh-Up etc.
10-14-2011, 10:57 PM
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10-14-2011, 11:10 PM
The first product looks better and the second one (not bad, just unnecessary).
As for fat-soluble vitamins...Vitamin D depends on how much you take, if you're taking D2 or D3 (I presume most on this board take D3), or if you have any absorption issues. We can't always control absorption issues...but safely 2,000-5,000IU can be taken by everyone daily of Vitamin D3...once during the day is fine as they accumulate in the liver and various other fatty areas.
Vitamin A, you'd be taking care of with your mixed carotenoid supplement. Vitamin A (retinol) itself does NOT need to be taken supplementally and could prove toxic really easy; beta-carotene (two retinol molecules put together)...is only called to action when needed. Use beta-carotene before considering a retinol supplement.
Vitamin E....I think people on this board have done well in taking all 8 isomers (A product like someone mentioned above in Primordial Performance's Toco-8 and there are some products from Jarrow and/or AOR that are decent isomer variants of the vitamin - again, once daily is plenty.
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10-14-2011, 11:17 PM
My top supplements.
Almost any non farm raised fish
Non farm raised fish
If most people spent the money they spent on supps on organic foods, locally grown foods, hormone free meats, etc... They would be healthier And wealthier.
Oh and again, this is my list. I MAY have an occasional protein shake if I'm pressed for time but that's about as much as I supplement.
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10-14-2011, 11:19 PM
I have got to break for the night in a minute, BUT will offer what I USE in dosing of the top 10 tomorrow at some point. You can extrapolate what you will from that.
Selenium (as I just posted) at 200-400mcg/day...not too high as it has a narrow therapeutic index (side effects are very real if going too high). I am unsure what is in the product Hgh-Up (but I did believe that to be a nighttime formula, so interesting), but I do know that ZMK is a "krebs cycle product" which some of those salts could easily account for the anxiety you feel and keeping you up at night. Let me review what is in Hgh-Up and get back to you to see if I see any pattern in ingredient/form, etc...
I don't know if everyone on the board wants kids, but - if that's the case selenium is VERY important in this regard (some may do well without procreating and they can turn a blind eye to my writing on this). I am happy everyone is taking heed to the notion that it is VERY important.
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10-14-2011, 11:21 PM
10-14-2011, 11:50 PM
10-15-2011, 12:29 AM
So complicated, lol
Ill stick to my Orange Triad, Fish Oil, Garlic Oil, E3 Live (Klamath Lake Frozen Liquid Blue Green Algae), extra Vitamin C and D.
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10-15-2011, 02:33 AM
[QUOTE=dinoiii;3044865]Nice List; I have very few gripes with it. I would suggest a switch to leucine and possibly dumping the taurine (simply to save money if you feel it's done nothing for you; I can't say I have ever gotten much from it either).
The only thing i notice from taurine it is a slight reduction in back pumps when doing deadlifts. But Ill be changing some things around in my list after reading your posts on some things in here. I read over in the bcaa thread. So you believe leucine outside of bcaa has just as much benifit? Bc your thread turned into a study war lol
10-15-2011, 04:54 PM
10-15-2011, 11:31 PM
Its like a pump in the lumbar region that can be cripling. Similar to those ppl feel when on certain AAS. I havent had the issue in ages, so ill prob drop the taurine.
10-16-2011, 12:56 AM
10-16-2011, 01:15 AM
Sub'd for more info and looking forward to hearing more doses used on these products/ingredients (minimum/maximum and optimal, along with timing).
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10-17-2011, 04:23 AM
8. Curcumin (anti-inflammatory/pro-testosterone, can be found in every guy's cupboard I hope...understand bioavailability is poor, so take more of it!!!!); How much ? Are we talking 1g p/d?
6. L-carnitine (all forms, but LOVE LCLT/PLC/ALCAR combo); I agree, I'll be honest the original form started leaning me out! I plan on taking 5g p/d.
5. Leucine (NOT all BCAAs; leucine alone is overlooked and the only sole ketogenic BCAA); Any info on timing?
3. CoQ10 (multi-function strikes again - can change type I muscle fibers to type IIs; can protect the heart; act as an antioxidant, etc...); This actual form, or the other form? How much should we take?
10-17-2011, 01:08 PM
Where is augmatine in this list? MAN promotes it as the "Holy Grail" of bodybuilding supplements. I also know you have researched it extensively. I have tried it and I can't say it did much for me but I only used one bottle. It may need to be used for a longer period to exert it's overall effects. Moreover, it doesn't get a lot of love on the bodybuilding forums.
10-17-2011, 01:39 PM
10-17-2011, 01:42 PM
OK my 10 would be
10-17-2011, 03:15 PM
Should someone that is in a exclusively explosive sport avoid q10? Lets say a long drive golfer.. would it slow down his muscle fibers?
10-17-2011, 03:24 PM
wondering why so much b complex is suggested, as a former trainee under u i had to cut mine back to once or twice a day do to insomnia, and it hurting like hell to pee after a few days of taking b complex with every meal!
probably dont remember this but it was way too much fro me to take a b complex with every meal, kind of over use if u ask me?
also DAA gave me the WORST heartburn i have ever had in my life! had to drop it fast! why i ask?
also HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE/???:
3. CoQ10 (multi-function strikes again - can change type I muscle fibers to type IIs; can protect the heart; act as an antioxidant, etc...);
i was under the sumption that once your born with a muscle make up, that one COULD NOT CHANGE THEIR MUSCLE FIBER TYPES, but could learn to train them instead, i was not aware that ones genetics could change by a single supplement, at all!
IF THIS IS IN FACT A TRUTH, THEN THE FDA WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THIS, AND ALSO WE HAVE FOUND THE "MAGIC PILL!!!"
please do explain in laymans terms and non of that doctor type lingos, because i might throw in the flag on this one!
10-17-2011, 06:30 PM
11 dianabol - yes, there IS an 11th supplement!
10 resveratrol and quercetin - resv = bulk powder. too many reasons to use it. querc = - too many reasons to use it, helps stuff like resveratrol work, cheap.
9 lclt/alcar combo - bulk powders. too many reasons to use these
8 green foods powder - chlorella, spirulina, veggies, mixed into a shake, usually post workout or pre-bed.
using NOW green phytofoods atm...
7 coq10, ala, sam-e/tmg, cinnamon, ginger, garlic, olive oil - tie!
6 multimineral - using a NOW product, actually 1/2 daily dose, with 1/2 tab crushed and added to intra drink on wo days too. generating less than 1/4 the selenium recommended by d_. need to get a selenium supp in the mail asap!
5 omega 3s - keep them in the fridge!
4 coconut oil - outside and inside, good for you, helps absorption of phs and fat soluble stuffs, full of mct's (lauric acid, anyone?), antimicrobial, use on skin too mixed with other essential oils, cedar being one of my favorites.
3 vitamins d and c - d = take 10,000iu/day through the winter, none in the summer with 2hours shirtless sun between 10 and 2:00/week, c = buffered with calcium and magnesium, not pre-workout.
2 turmeric/curcumin - bulk powder, dump a few grams turmeric in natty choco whey shakes, add olive/coconut oil - tastes great!
1 astaxanthin - 1 gram 1% bulk powder daily - after a couple weeks of this with curcumin, i was able to bench again after many years of heavy shoulder pain. now, 80-90% less pain doing these movements.
what i am taking away from this thread -
focus on ingredients.
get BACK on a cooenzyme b complex... dammit!
get a BACK on a selenium SPECIFIC supplement... dammit!
10-17-2011, 06:44 PM
10-18-2011, 01:18 AM
Great info in here...Love it
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