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[domore]

Was not aware MAN was making a new product besides the Nolva one. What's it advertised to do?

I think it is only in beta testing.

From what I gather, it is just concentrated doses of growth factors, and some other proprietary ingredient that will be known upon release.

I threw out a guess that Humanofort may be the hidden ingredient.

[rob112]

Coop, why do some recommend alcar to be taken with alpha lipoic acid?

That had been answered a few pages back. He posted a really good reply if you look.

[dinoiii]

This is a great point. The carnitine moiety is likely what is responsible for the effects of LCLT on AR density and recovery, but at the same time, we do not know if other carnitine salts can accomplish this end result due to the fact that LCLT has superior kinetics/half-life. As far as ALCAR and PLCAR, I think most of the documented benefits are exclusive to those salts. For instance, the nootropic effect (acetate donation) of ALCAR and the cardioprotective effect (Propionyl-CoA elevation in cardiomyocytes) of PLCAR would be exclusive to those two forms.

Well, I don't exactly agree - especially in terms of carioprotective effect. Standard LCAR has been studied actually and yields comparable results EXCEPT in needed times of overt ischemia (i.e. - acute MI); but really...the salt is less dependent on much outside of "timed need," which may or may not be expedited in some instances [The data is available; I just don't have time at present to offer a great retort outside of that unfortunately, but a simple search of Carnitine versus PLC would yield plenty of data]. I am absolutely convinced that the salt becomes less pertinent in a dose-dependent manner as well.


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[mr.cooper69]

Well, I don't exactly agree - especially in terms of carioprotective effect. Standard LCAR has been studied actually and yields comparable results EXCEPT in needed times of overt ischemia (i.e. - acute MI); but really...the salt is less dependent on much outside of "timed need," which may or may not be expedited in some instances [The data is available; I just don't have time at present to offer a great retort outside of that unfortunately, but a simple search of Carnitine versus PLC would yield plenty of data]. I am absolutely convinced that the salt becomes less pertinent in a dose-dependent manner as well.


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I believe you're right, but would you not agree that the accelerated rate of carnitine entry into cardiomyocytes is dependent on PLCAR's ability to enter skeletal muscle directly, rather than needing prolonged administration (as with L-Car and LCLT).

[domore]

I actually think the studies show quite the contrary - the problem (at least in some people's eyes), they are all Romanian... and in Romania, its actually still classified a drug. Many supplements GROSSLY underdose the thing, but effective dosing is a minimum of 300mg (if not more) - but in individuals with decreased IGF-1, we've had great response with Humanofort monotherapy.

A company known as GEN used to have the best product dosed at 300mg...years later, Labrada picked it up and in the stand-alone, it was not remotely the same item as when I had used it in years previous out of GEN. Since the release of their HumanoGrowth, which I recently invested in (wary - to say the least) and over the course of the last 4 days - DOUBLE-DOSED mind you (so, 8 caps before bed)...I have had incredible sleep results and wake up feeling great (mind you, given my schedule - sleep is a hot commodity).

So, if the science fits...Humanofort should lead to an elevation of 17-ketosteroid levels in the adrenal gland (my DHEA levels were low on a recent blood draw and decreased DHEA and/or IGF-1 levels are met with increased cardiovascular disarray). In fact, Humanofort has shown to raise these levels by as much as 68%! Increased 17-ketosteroid levels will mean increased lipid metabolism and improved anabolism, through an elevation of androgens and a decrease in the catabolic hormone cortisol (which has been talked about a great deal in this and many other threads in this subforum). The documented antioxidant proprieties will also limit exercise-induced free radical damage to muscle tissue (again - let's re-visit the utility when we have spoken of oxidation and the like in this thread). In any event, I will do a full review when done with the Labrada product - but again, double-dosed, so we are talking only a 15-day trial...but I would be happy to invest in it - even at the cost of the product for 15 day cycles IF it actually works; I will follow up with blood work too btw on my DHEA levels and any impact to adrenal steroids...stay tuned.




1. Effects of Oral Administered Humanofort on Steroid Hormones Level and on Oxidative Stress” by Prof. Gh. Mihaescu, T. Stoica, F. Oancea, Medicine Pharmacy University „Carol Davila” Bucharest, Romania

2. Oxidative Stress decrease in Old Age Patients Treated with Drugs Containing Embryonic Peptides Gh. Mihaescu, O. Mihaescu, I. Mihaescu, National Institute for Geriatrics and Gerontology „Ana Aslan”, Bucharest, Romania

3. Clinical Trial of Humanofort Effect on Overweight Endocrinology Institute „C. I. Parhon” Bucharest, Romania




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Bumpin' for Dr. Houser

[dsohei]

finally finished reading this whole thread, now i'm yearning for a top 15 or top 20...

[wandagustov]

These supplements should be included on my top 10 list: immune support, krill oil, chlorella, coq10 and vitamin b12.

[Spaniard]

These supplements should be included on my top 10 list: immune support, krill oil, chlorella, coq10 and vitamin b12.

Krill? Why? From what i've read thus far, you're better off sticking with fish oil.

[Garyboy]

Dr,

Should we worry about getting too much folic acid as a result of taking a B Complex? Ergo-log just posted a study saying getting too much folate can promote cancer. Thanks for your help.

[blackjackcat]

Dr,

Should we worry about getting too much folic acid as a result of taking a B Complex? Ergo-log just posted a study saying getting too much folate can promote cancer. Thanks for your help.

Do you have a link to that post?

[aaronuconn]

Do you have a link to that post?

http://www.ergo-log.com/withholding-...te-cancer.html

Solid N=1.

[broons]

Excess Folic acid, being a synthetic form of folate, can be problematic for some people. Depends how well their body does at converting it to l-methylfolate. Seeing as how in the USA a lot of foods are fortified with it, I personally avoid it in any supplements. If I were to supplement folate I would use 5-mthf

[aaronuconn]

Excess Folic acid, being a synthetic form of folate, can be problematic for some people. Depends how well their body does at converting it to l-methylfolate. Seeing as how in the USA a lot of foods are fortified with it, I personally avoid it in any supplements. If I were to supplement folate I would use 5-mtfh.

Jarow's B-Right FTW!

[broons]

Specifically something like metafolin, extrafolate-s or maybe quatrefolic which is the s-isomer. There is still a question afaik on whether the r-isomer or the racemic mixture could possibly be detrimental. If anyone knows of any further data shedding light on the isomers, please let us know.

[blackjackcat]

http://www.ergo-log.com/withholding-...te-cancer.html

Solid N=1.

Thanks for the link.

[Garyboy]

Currently taking AOR's Advanced B Complex. Guess I should switch over to Jarrow's B-Right. Thanks.

[aaronuconn]

Currently taking AOR's Advanced B Complex. Guess I should switch over to Jarrow's B-Right. Thanks.

No need, that's a phenomenal B-complex.

[Garyboy]

Thanks. Just realized it uses the form you suggest anyways. Appreciate the info.

[Beau]

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[Beau]

Was not aware MAN was making a new product besides the Nolva one. What's it advertised to do?



I would not concern yourself with free radicals induced my carnitine pro-oxidation. That effect was documented at the 6 month stage (though it may have occurred sooner).

LCLT - 2g preworkout
PLCAR - 2g preworkout or upon rising
ALCAR - 2g preworkout or upon rising

I personally take PLCAR at 2g preworkout only and and ALCAR at 2g both preworkout and on off days. When I have LCLT, I use about 3g preworkout.

Do them all on empty unless you're trying to elevate muscle carnitine (which should NOT be your goal unless you are wealthy).

I am taking ALCAR, PLCAR and LCLT (each at 2 Gr/day), Beta Alanine (4 Gr/day), Taurine (2 Gr/day), Tyrosine (1 Gr/day), AAKG, ALA (600 Mg/day), and Cittruline Malate (6 Gr/day), and I would like to add Inositol, IP-6, TMG and Choline Citrate. For those most informed, can you please suggest daily amounts of Inositol, IP-6, TMG and Choline Citrate?

Thanks