What about DAA causing severe anxiety in some individuals? I had to stop it completely because of this.... when confronted with a challenging or stressful scenario, my brain would wild and panic set in like never before.
I am uncertain DAA would ignite a fiery anxiety-prone individual, but that's just it...we're truly uncertain on many of the brain effects.
What can be said is that NMDA receptor ANTAGONISTS are used successfully to combat ventral hippocampal source anxiety. On paper, no one could contest what you're saying. I am just inclined to believe that because so few are suggesting anxiety as a side effect, it may be those who were very anxiety-prone to begin (i.e. - before the supplement). We DO have a study underway to evaluate the psychosocial effects of the compound alongside the prototypical biochemical patterns (i.e. - testosterone, estrogen, et al...), so stay tuned for more on this...
DAA certainly wouldn't be the first amino to cause "anxiety" however. How do you react to tyrosine (kind of the prototypical example of an anxiety-provoking amino)?
maybe I will add Sarcosine (N-methylglycine) or Calcium lactate gluconate to DAA?
any experience with both?
We have not studied sarcosine with DAA although Patrick Arnold did supply me with some of his Test Force variety DAA (+ an AI, which I cannot disclose as I am unaware if the product + the AI will ever come to fruition) in order to potentially go to market with something in clinical trial format. We have since modified the original product and are running clinical trials on the alternative. That said, only two guys were recruited who got the lab work done (12 were given the product in all, out of an anticipated 20) whose results are surely being looked at, but with an n of 2, its very hard to approximate what any of it means.
Probably what would be best is a scheme that looks more like this:
(1) < 1 month: add AI
(2) > 1 month: add intermittent use of dopamine agonist to DAA + AI in a 5 on, 2 off -or- 3 on, 1 off fashion (I prefer the 5 on, 2 off "Weekend Holdiay" pattern for most things micro-cycled).
(3) Consider stopping at a max of 3 months (for now, until I can grab cummulative data - it will be on-going) if you do see a flare in side effects.
Would Man sport primal male be a good AI option ?
NO to Primale Male
Primal Male is a test booster with I3C (estrogen channeling agent) added. I doubt if it would do much for estrogen modulation in the presents of DAA. At least not from my experience. I would recommend either Formestane or possibly Erase. I have tried several others including Formadrol without much success. Formestane at low dosage I think would be best.
You are correct on the Formestane, although I don't know what is present in the product "Erase" (please post ingredients to products to help out my stream of return response; do not assume I know what the product contains, I am usually interested in very FEW supplements formulated in this industry)
What do you mean by wonders? What dosage and for how long? I have used I3C, didn't notice much, not that I was expecting much.
What I can tell you (as I don't know what he meant by the explative "wonders" either) is that our guys who use I3C to see significant effect need to use on the order of 200mg three times a day and so on. This ingredient is based on volume of distribution (in other words, how big you are) and quite frankly some of our guys are sitting at 240-250 lbs...the dose is NOT the same (by any stretch) to the say 165-180 pound male. Anyone who tells you it is - is truly full of it.
Now, all that said...if you did want to incoporate I3C as an estrogen-channeling agent with DAA, then it could probably be dosed lower in the acute setting...in other words, I don't know that we'd need multiple times daily...but take the compound directly with the DAA.
I was asking about primal male, since if my memorie is right i read on another board that he was the or one of the formulator behind Primal male, I can be wrong do.
This was actually a product I did with MAN Sports, but understand a few things...this was also the very LAST product I did with them. I felt we had very different creative directions with product development. For instance (maybe a very minor point), supplements that have zinc and copper in the same caps are not developed well at all...these two supplements should be done at DIFFERENT times of the day. There was a lot of issue getting the correct version of Eucommia (there are VERY different extractions and so forth to use and it has to be 100% correct in order to get the end product you want).
There's a reason we parted ways shortly thereafter. This is not the only company that didn't abide by all the "rules" I put forth in creating products - and likely won't be the only one I speak out against in this subforum. The "rules" are there usually for efficacy or side effect rationale...when people don't abide by them, they must understand the relationship will end up in divorce. I am VERY picky about supplement design.
Would dopamine agonist be something like drive or igf-2 by appnut? I'm running Alpha Mass by FRL and when I'm done with this cycle was planning on running TF2 with Bioforge V3 as pct.
Again, I have no idea what's in half of these products...could you post ingredient profiles please?
every body reacts differently.
i only take the AI when i feel my skin begins to act up. and not for any other reason
I couldn't agree with you more; the only thing we can ever base most of our statements on is what might be the "majority" of cases.
I unfortunately can not agree with the science behind your "skin" offering because that is an androgen-mediated effect, NOT an estrogen one if you are talking about acne lesions.
Thanks for the heads up Dana so what did you recommend as an AI for a 90 days DAA run?
BTW the Mucuna Pruiens “protocol” is for me I used this for 6 months without break of this stuff at the point I start see “weird things” if I can say hallucinations?
I do like formestane (topical or oral, although most oral products still available are very underdosed). The only worthwhile supplemental form was perhaps Molecular Nutrition's product back in the day. I know CEL has a topical version I enjoy.
Other OTC AIs:
mild - Resveratrol, Grapeseed, Vitamin D (probably the best known)
potent - 6-Bromo (if you can still find it), Formestane
ADex if used with your physician...Letrozole is too hard to control serum levels and dose accordingly. Its a relative pain in the a**.
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