- 04-05-2008, 02:58 PM
- 04-10-2008, 08:32 AM
04-10-2008, 01:37 PM
I use it and have for many years (54 y/o now). I use 50 mg per day in the AM as an estimated replacement dose for predicted age-related declines.
Results? Well, I do not use it with any results in mind - that is, not for gaining muscle or strength. I use it on an ongoing basis in the hopes of maintaining more normal (youthful) levels, for all of the effects on health and well-being that maintaining those levels might offer. So it is hard to say what the results are...I would be trying to define the absence of a negative as a positive when, quite frankly, whether the negative would happen is not at all clear.
And I am not willing to stop for a period of time to see if or how things would be different.
Sorry if that is not much help.
04-10-2008, 07:01 PM
04-11-2008, 02:03 AM
04-11-2008, 02:07 AM
04-11-2008, 09:13 AM
I agree sometimes we use supps based on what we hope we know about decreasing levels. I use PGH with the same beliefs, however I do feel it does make a difference in maintaining lower body fat, but I digress.
04-11-2008, 02:16 PM
I'm 46 yrs old in very good shape, lots of muscle & could be bettter of course! Age seems to creep in slowly not noticing the gradual changes.
Been considering DHEA for this reason and 6-0x0 for shedding unwanted bodyfad around my midsection which seems to have come about due to age since I eat very clean!
Other than fat burning....what else is DHEA good for?
04-11-2008, 03:30 PM
as the most abundant sex hormone in the body it is important for in maintaining libido, insulin sensitivity, congnitve function, immune function, cognitive function and much more.
it however does not increase t levels.
and this is why it has a poor image in the bbing community.
but if you are deficient or hypogonadal (or secondary hypogonadism induced by AAS) dhea supplementation is very benefitial.
however too much dhea and it readily converts to estrogen.
so i for this reason it seems best used by older farts (which i'm slowly becomming) or people recovering from an aas cycle.
04-11-2008, 04:06 PM
04-11-2008, 04:12 PM
04-11-2008, 04:30 PM
from the studies i've read a low dose (50mg/d) can be more than sufficient in boosting DHEA above naturally occurring levels.
considering that young adult males usually produce no more than 20-25mg of DHEA per day........50mg/day can easily double blood DHEA levels within a few days.
remember, the goal in using DHEA in post cycle therapy should be to reduce cortisol and improve libido. so a small dose should suffice.
04-11-2008, 04:54 PM
Ok that would be a change in the school of thought from years ago I believe, I am sure I read 200 somewhere a few years ago.
04-11-2008, 05:05 PM
yeah, i remember seeing a lot of recommendations for 100-200/day.
but we also used to think it could produce an anabolic effect at a higher doses - which just isn't true.
dhea supplementation is introducing an exogenous hormone that will suppress natural production. and the goal of pct is to restore natural hormone production not suppress them.
for this reason and the fact that excess can convert to estrogen at a time when estrogen is already high is the reasoning behind a much lower dose.
04-11-2008, 10:04 PM
I remember about 6 yrs ago when I used to train in Karate is had a pad-work partner that was back then my age (46 yrs young) he happened to be the owner of avery large speaker manufacturing company. This guy had not fat whatsoever and tons of energy...he would mountain bike, ski, do Karate plus lots more I'm sure. Anyway, we always seemed to have the same strength when partnered up & doing the drills together and I was slowly noticing him getting stronger & stronger until it was getting to the point where His kicks & punches were knocking me off my feet! I asked him if he was taking anything & he confessed he was taking DHEA.
Does DHEA increase your strength levels like that if it gives you youthfull hormone levels??
05-05-2008, 03:16 PM
I think Dr. D is/was a proponent of using DHEA during pct
something like 200,100,100,50 - weekly doseages - half upon waking and the other around noon or so.
05-06-2008, 12:04 AM
05-06-2008, 11:13 AM
however i remember him getting rentless sh!t from other experts on his advice. they mainly bashed the fact that higher levels of DHEA readily converts to estrogen, and adding something that could increase estro levels is stupid to do during pct.
however, if any of you follow Swale's advice here is what he had to say:
Swale is a big proponet of DHEA but recommends it at much lower doses for his patcients. for most he perscribes only 25mg DHEA twice per day.If I remember right, Dr D has made a few mis-steps with his DHEA advice, such as calling it extremely androgenic (only 1/10th as much as testosterone). And he has used it at very high dosages--which would definitely increase estrogen. But he certainly is correct in including it in the every day supplementation for thos ewho are HPTA-suppressed. So I don't think he deserves any grief when he is on the right track.
05-06-2008, 12:55 PM
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05-06-2008, 02:56 PM
I've been taking about 100mg a day while on Trenadrol and it has definetly helped with the libido. There wasn't a huge kill but I noticed a decrease. With the Dhea I'm ready and willing for 2 times a day again! TMI?
05-06-2008, 03:30 PM
I apologize for being a newbie getting in on an advice thread, however I know a bit in this area as I have done advanced degrees in this area. Always listen to those with the experience as hormones sometimes seem to work in a counterintuitive manner. You may find combinations with other supplements which strengthen, weaken or even change the type of response a hormone supplement is, in theory, supposed to display. Some supplements of this type may also need an ancilliary (a common word used to describe drugs used with steroids to get a more powerful effect) chemical or supplement to get any benefits. So, in my opinion, and I stress as I am not a medical doctor so don't take my advice without consulting one, DHEA is one of those supplements which in absence of another supplement or drug will illicit a zero response when taken orally even at huge dosage levels. Of course DHEA is of the cholesterol based steroid family, I beleive of the top of my head an epiandrosterone. As such it will utilize the pathway that (an those in the supplement loop of 10 years ago will be familiar) androstenedione goes through to become testosterone. Androstenedionre is one enzymatic step closer to becoming testosterone than DHEA, since that is the only benefit to taking DHEA and you consider an enzymatic conversion ratio of 5% for andro, well you do the math. DHEA to andro conversion is less favourable thermodynamically to the andro test conversion so really what I am saying is save your money, you may as well eat spinach from a can.
But, there is a positive side. When DHEA is not converted to andro is will become part of the estrogen family through a process called aromatization, so, it follows that if that didn't happen the DHEA would have only one direction to go. There are anti-aromatase enzyme drugs and supplements which are so effective that estrogen production in this way is essentially halted. Letrozole (trademarked Femara) is likely the most powerfull tool we have for combatting this effect we have today. Letrozole of course is prescription only. There are also very powerful supplements, for example 7oxoDHEA is excellent, ergo makes a product called 6-oxo, just google anti-aromatase. With the aid of one of these not only will you increase your DHEA-andro conversion rate you will also increase your testosterone/estradiol ration which in the grand scheme is what you want. Best of luck, listen to these experience guys they will know the products and will know which ones are quality because as you know im sure, you can have the same ingredient on two different labels and one product is great and the other you may as well flush. RESEARCH FIRST!
05-06-2008, 06:46 PM
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