I have nothing against things like Epistane, I actually considered it. For me though, it just doesn't make that much sense. Do I need a bunch more mass, no, do I need it to get lean, no there are so many healthier/risk free alternatives. What would I be taking it for, I am sure I could take it and there would be minimal risk with a proper PCT and good support supps but why go through all that. I am about 12% body fat and 243 lbs at 5'11" how much bigger do I need to be. Frankly I don't even care that much is I lose a bit of muscle, I'd rather not but I have some to spare....I never seem to lose any anyway.