[luclyluciano]

when pulsing Every other day what's best to dose all at once preworkout or spreading the dose thruout the day, and what is the logic behin your answer?

I"m in the middle of a pulsed cycle & am trying both ways but I am not sure which is best yet.

[jpk]

Hi Luc,

sounds like you're having fun on this cycle. You're asking about scientific stuff which is woefully absent in this whole oral steroid market. But you're also curious about logic so there should be no shortage of opinions flowing in. Here's tw things that guided my on my Epi pulse:

1. The half life of the compound is fairly long. I'd like to remember seeing up to 6 to 8 hours depending on individual metabolism. So I'd just spread it out even on Epi days. This stuff never jacked my sleep so I would even take my last one near bedtime. There's some logic to taking it earlier because natural test is produced at a higher rate at night and you don't want to suppress natural production. I never felt shut down so I didn't care about taking the last one early.

2. Anabolic steroids make you heal and grow muscle faster. So I didn't care if I took them on a gym day or the day after. In other words, I don't think that there's an significant, immediate strength benefit to taking a steroid, the strength comes from the healing phase. I felt my gains were better taking my Epi on the day after a big workout.

This isn't science however, just 2 cents worth of logic and an anecdotal report. A lot of guys swear by taking double doses right before they go to the gym.

[luclyluciano]

Originally Posted by jpk

Hi Luc,

sounds like you're having fun on this cycle. You're asking about scientific stuff which is woefully absent in this whole oral steroid market. But you're also curious about logic so there should be no shortage of opinions flowing in. Here's tw things that guided my on my Epi pulse:

1. The half life of the compound is fairly long. I'd like to remember seeing up to 6 to 8 hours depending on individual metabolism. So I'd just spread it out even on Epi days. This stuff never jacked my sleep so I would even take my last one near bedtime. There's some logic to taking it earlier because natural test is produced at a higher rate at night and you don't want to suppress natural production. I never felt shut down so I didn't care about taking the last one early.

2. Anabolic steroids make you heal and grow muscle faster. So I didn't care if I took them on a gym day or the day after. In other words, I don't think that there's an significant, immediate strength benefit to taking a steroid, the strength comes from the healing phase. I felt my gains were better taking my Epi on the day after a big workout.

This isn't science however, just 2 cents worth of logic and an anecdotal report. A lot of guys swear by taking double doses right before they go to the gym.

Hey JPK: Great info, thanx alot!

Question! I think I know what you mean by half life! Does a larger dose make you heal & grow much faster or better...meaning if I took 30 mgs all at once then I would have the full 30 mgs in my system, working for fully for up to 8 hrs...then spreading out would mean an overlap at some point & with a ramping up & a ramping down. Someone here suggested spreading out is better we stay anabolic longer. Seems to make sense unless of course a larger multiple dose achieves better results in growth healing.

Lucky

[jpk]

Originally Posted by luclyluciano

Hey JPK: Great info, thanx alot!

Question! I think I know what you mean by half life! Does a larger dose make you heal & grow much faster or better...meaning if I took 30 mgs all at once then I would have the full 30 mgs in my system, working for fully for up to 8 hrs...then spreading out would mean an overlap at some point & with a ramping up & a ramping down. Someone here suggested spreading out is better we stay anabolic longer. Seems to make sense unless of course a larger multiple dose achieves better results in growth healing.

Lucky

These orals have a maximum effect that levels off sharply. So if you're getting a good solid anabolic effect at say 40mg per day, then you're not going to get 20% better effect by going up to 50 mg. You may not get any effect if you're maxed out already. Unfortunately, these doses vary a lot by individual. There seems to be a rough correlation to body weight though.

As far as lump dosing, there's very few pharmacologic agents that are best dosed in bulk rather than spread out evenly. Especially when the compound has a relatively short half life that is expressed in hours, not days. Yet, there was a recent thread that talked about how Arnold and friends would bulk dose their Dianabol in the morning. I don't remember if it was mostly to reduce sides or enhance anabolism or both. You can never forget that most of these orals get activated in the liver, which is a mildly toxic process. I'd rather let my liver deal with a little dose of toxin rather than a larger dose.

Epistane is so mild and forgiving that it encourages the educated user to experiment with different dosing schemes. Yet, already there is a large body of anecdotal evidence that supports the kind of cycles, including PCT, that appear regularly on these forums. Just don't ignore diet and sleep while on cycle. The best researched cycles will fall short of expectations if you can't give the body the tools it needs to heal up.

[arizonanewbie]

Lucky, how about giving some numbers on your progress?

[luclyluciano]

Originally Posted by arizonanewbie

Lucky, how about giving some numbers on your progress?

Hey Arizona...no problem!

I'm on week 5 of an EOD pulse which I tapered up to 40 mgs...I find this a nice sweet spot...30 mgs is good too.

I'm 45 yrs old but everyone tells me I look 10 yrs younger! I have pretty good structure and am pretty lean everywhere except my midsection which had gained some fat in the last year even though I eat pretty clean..I assume it's my age.

Anyhow I've only gained about 4 lbs however the mirror says otherwise. Definitely gained in size. Going thru a re-comp even though was not my intention.

I'm 6 ft and weigh 195 morning weight. My arms shoulders chest & legs are bigger, more muscular and vascular.
I know I've traded fat for muscle and am much leaner!
All my lifts are up by 20 %...today I did chest with 100 lb dumbell AT THE END OF MY WORKOUT...on my 20th set!
No spotter. LOVE working out on this stuff.
CHECK OUT MY LOG!

[Kenneth3x]

I plan on starting a prohormone cycle soon also and was wondering if there would be any significant changes in the reccomended routines found here given the fact that I am already low in testosterone and high in estradiol? Should I take an AI during the cycle?

[Kenneth3x]

Keep in mind I am 40 years old, a newbie and would pulse a low dose 3 days a week for 4 weeks. There are so many different routines on here it is hard to say what would be best for me for my first cycle.

Also, Luciano..... Didn't I see in another thread that you were taking E-max the epi clone? I was wondering how people faired with these products?

[luclyluciano]

Originally Posted by Kenneth3x

Keep in mind I am 40 years old, a newbie and would pulse a low dose 3 days a week for 4 weeks. There are so many different routines on here it is hard to say what would be best for me for my first cycle.

Also, Luciano..... Didn't I see in another thread that you were taking E-max the epi clone? I was wondering how people faired with these products?

This was my 1st cycle also. E-max is excellent...highly recommended by the owner of Nutraplanet...Juggernaut makes great clones. I am also pulsing 3 days a week, on a pulse you'll be best to ramp up to 30-40 mgs EOD.

Not sure about your low Test rating. I think E-max converts to Test and lowers Estrogen. I don't see how this could be bad for you but keep researching. Many others on here with tremendous knowledge. To make a diffference you'll need to have your diet & workouts in top form! Otherwise all you'll get are great pumps...You'll love working out on the stuff.

[shlong]

Originally Posted by luclyluciano

New to this board & loving it.
I'm 45 yrs old, never done AS and been lifting 10yrs.
Good build & get lots of stares at the gym etc.
Heard great things about Epistane & ready to give it a go.
Here Goes the Questions;

a) Dutchman posted that he uses it as a transdermal but I see it sold in capsules...which is whic? Confused????
b)I'm interested in pulsing it and very confused with all the recommend for PCT. Can I keep it to 1 product only and keep it simple. What should it be??
c) is this gonna be hard on my liver and what exactly does this mean & how will I know if I have a problem>
d) I"m from Toronto Canada, was considering ordering from Nutriplanet via Fed Ex to my office...50 people there.
Does Nutriplanet have the best PCT so I can order from the same source? Is shipping to my office OK.
e) Duthcman seemed to recommend the Epi together with Formastene....Not sure what it does and is it a good idea or should I just stick to the Epi

All I can think of for now-Support greatly appreciated

Luckyluciano

Epi as 2a-3a -epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol is
a designer .......with an overall anabolic of 1100 and a respectable 91 androgenic nice ratio .A brilliant design..
using a 2a-3a epithio in place of a 3 keto group standard on most roids,This protects the steriod from being reduced to a lesser
steroid metabolite.Id buy as much as you can till the inevitable
Stick with this one it's a derivative of DHT 20-30mg ED, lean dry results 2x that of ANAVAR

[mack 7]

Have run three cycles of epi with the only side effect being balls have gotten smaller. first cycle got great results not as good with second and third. post cycle with nolva. scheduled blood work after show in july. will post as soon as i get results.

[luclyluciano]

Originally Posted by mack 7

Have run three cycles of epi with the only side effect being balls have gotten smaller. first cycle got great results not as good with second and third. post cycle with nolva. scheduled blood work after show in july. will post as soon as i get results.

Why do you feel you did not get the results your 2nd & 3rd time round. I'm looking to do my next cyle & have been told I would continue experiencing gains. Now you have me worried.

[Jsturdi0]

A is epistine and xtreme tren good to cycle together

[Perfection300]

If you are 40+ years of age, It would be wise not to cycle to many orals considering the health issues they can cause that will be harder to reverse at your age.

Injections will be much more beneficial in terms of health and gains for you.

[Dutchman]

Originally Posted by luclyluciano

Why do you feel you did not get the results your 2nd & 3rd time round. I'm looking to do my next cyle & have been told I would continue experiencing gains. Now you have me worried.

Luclyluciano, Somehow you ended up misinformed. I never tried Epi as a transdermal. I have used it repeatedly with Form which is a transdermal. At the moment with no Form available I am only using Progesterone (transdermal) in my current Epi cycle. That said, this is my fourth or fifth cycle with it and this time is as good as the first. That might be because of the long time between cycles. This being my only cycle this year. I have spent the year rehabbing my RC and now in this cycle I once again reached and then exceeded my old BP PRs by 20 lbs, a lot for me. I felt every bit as agressive in the gym as back on my first cycle.