What do you think of this HRT

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  1. What do you think of this HRT


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  2. I am not a DR, and its hard to answer your questions without specific information....


    Personally I would rethink the Decca...at least the dose, although it will help those 58 yr old joints. There have been people who have had problems with "decca d1ck" at that dose, and length of time. There are also people who dont think there is a place for decca in HRT at all..but thats up to you and your DR.

    H.R.T. !!!! Hang on for a helluva ride, my friend, and Good Luck!!!
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  3. Damn, HRT? that sounds like a full blown AS cycle?
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  4. my comments are wow, thats alot of stuff to get going"
    most HRT is test(100-200mg) per week, HCG, armidex, and that about it.

  5. I have to comment on that also, I don't find that 'HRT' by a classical definition. However, I am not an expert or well versed in this area, I do have a reference point to a full-blown AAS cycle which that looks like. A classic Test/Deca cycle with an Anavar kicker. Also, why Sustanon only once a week? You should split those up into far more dosages.

  6. look at Ageless's HRT, its nothing like what you are doing, I would get the good Dr.s input on this???

  7. Quote Originally Posted by calibrated
    I can't answer the observations because I just don't know. I do know that after this first phase it will be 200mg of test cypionate or enanthate, Arimidex and HCG depending on how the blood work looks.

    It is scary undertaking this and I really felt good about it but after the last posts now I don't know. You've kind of deflated my baloon. I guess I'll have to put my trust with AGELESS and the doctor.

    thanks (I guess)
    I am not sure what you meant by that comment, I was merely relating my opinion. Deca is not usually prescribed, at least to my knowledge, during HRT for varying reasons.

  8. Mulletsoldier I have to comment on that also, I don't find that 'HRT' by a classical definition. However, I am not an expert or well versed in this area, I do have a reference point to a full-blown anabolic steroids cycle which that looks like. A classic Test/Deca cycle with an Anavar kicker. Also, why Sustanon only once a week? You should split those up into far more dosages.
    This is because you aren't doing HRT. Our doctors are customizing our HRT to us so there is no "classic" definition. I discussed my concerns associated with age with my doctor and he prescribed a nearly identical cycle "therapy".
    I did not experience any issues with my equipment due to the Deca (Nandrolone) but some do not know that deca is most effective with very high dosages of protein which seems to emphasize its posittive and minimize its negative but everyone is different. And, as to your "full blown anabolics cycle" comment, if you did a little more research you would find out that this is about half of a "full blown" cycle. Also, why would he increase the rate of consumption on your recomendation ? These are his doctor prescribed dosages AND interval...............are you his doctor ?

    I have to say that I grew on my HRT, 10 pounds and I finally hit a 320 bench which had been eluding me for some time. I am bery happy with the results of this "low dose" cycle and if my wife allows me,(heck with the Alpha male mentality, I want her every night not the dog house) I will. Married 12.5 years.

    Neck 17.5 Biceps 18 Chest 48 Waist 34 forearms 16 Legs (need more work, little above average) 6' 210 Lbs.

    :bb2:

  9. What did you think of the Anavar? I read today that it helps with lowering SBGH.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by calibrated
    Well here it is 12 weeks later and there have been many changes all for the good. I'm not on Sustanon anymore and almost tapered off the deca, using just test E (seems like Ageless predicted that). Ditching the deca is hard as the joints really hurt until your body takes up production of synovial fluids again. Through trying the dosages from 200mg to 500 mg I 've found that 300mg (actually 210mg factoring out the ester) every 7 days seems to be a sweet spot for me. Test levels are between 600 and 750, Estrogen has been holding around 26 (low mid range) no zits. I don't have to take the anti E very often at that level and I am able to maintain and grow muscle. Haven't used HCG yet, there was shrinkage but at a point still comfortable it stopped.

    BF has dropped noticeably and I've lost 4' on the waist. Even with Lots of cardio and a good diet I still gained 15lbs.

    There are so many other areas it's helped in I can't believe it, sex, attitude, mental clarity, depression, decision making to name a few. I wish I had done this 10 years ago when problems started. Now I'm looking forward to the next 10 yrs.

    You might try the CisusRx for the joint pain, it worked awsome for me. Boy !, four feet off of the waist is killer !!

    But,seriously the Cissus is the ticket.:bruce2:

  11. Quote Originally Posted by calibrated
    Well here it is 12 weeks later and there have been many changes all for the good. I'm not on Sustanon anymore and almost tapered off the deca, using just test E (seems like Ageless predicted that). Ditching the deca is hard as the joints really hurt until your body takes up production of synovial fluids again. Through trying the dosages from 200mg to 500 mg I 've found that 300mg (actually 210mg factoring out the ester) every 7 days seems to be a sweet spot for me. Test levels are between 600 and 750, Estrogen has been holding around 26 (low mid range) no zits. I don't have to take the anti E very often at that level and I am able to maintain and grow muscle. Haven't used HCG yet, there was shrinkage but at a point still comfortable it stopped.

    BF has dropped noticeably and I've lost 4' on the waist. Even with Lots of cardio and a good diet I still gained 15lbs.

    There are so many other areas it's helped in I can't believe it, sex, attitude, mental clarity, depression, decision making to name a few. I wish I had done this 10 years ago when problems started. Now I'm looking forward to the next 10 yrs.

    All I can say is WOW! At that therapy, you will be muscled up in no time! You are where I am trying to get to! Well, I'm not really looking to add muscle per se' But if I could get my test levels where they need to be, I'll certainly take advantage of it!
    Do you find it easier to do the injections now?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by calibrated
    LOL! 4' would be a killer I guess you knew I meant 4".

    I did get some Cissus RX, how long did it take for you to start feeling it work?
    I noticed Glucosamine starts working for me in about 6 weeks. But Cissus seems to takes about a month before I notice it.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John
    Well, I AM a doctor, and I can tell you what is going on with this gentleman has absolutely nothing to do with "HRT".

    Since when was Deca an endogenous hormone that needed to be replaced? I have yet to see a lab panel and proclaim "this guy has a Deca deficiency".

    I probably have as much experience treating steroid athletes as any other doctor in the world, and I can tell you this guy's regmen IS "doing steroids".

    Has this doctor given a second's thought to this patient's Lipid Profile? It's trashed by what he is doing.

    I'd hazard a guess he is also elevating his risk of cancer.

    So the patient now has hypertension from this "HRT", and in fact needs additional medication to treat same. Does that sound good to anyone? If that happens to one of my patients, we change things up so high blood pressure is not an issue. BTW, once hypertension is triggered, it can remain long after such "HRT" has been discontinued.

    Oral agents such as anavar alter liver metabolism in untoward ways, even in absence of elevated LFT's.

    Where does any of this relate to increasing health and fitness?

    It's stuff like this that is going to give legitimate HRT a bad name one day when a retrospective study is done including those patients like these. The conventional medical community, served by the Drive-By Media,

    It really galls me to see physicians purposefully damaging the health of their patients in order to make money.

    Thanks for setting me straight. This kind of straight forward thinking by "those who know" is what we all need.


    calibrated
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    Originally Posted by Hardgain
    You might try the CisusRx for the joint pain, it worked awsome for me. Boy !, four feet off of the waist is killer !!

    But,seriously the Cissus is the ticket.

    LOL! 4' would be a killer I guess you knew I meant 4".

    I did get some Cissus RX, how long did it take for you to start feeling it work?
    I noticed it in about 10-14 days then felt really good at the end of the bottle. Was worried that the effects would just go away so ordered another bottle which I was able to wait on taking because the noticeable improvement in my shoulders had not subsided. Later as I continued to induce stress through resistance training upon my shoulders it became necessary to use the next bottle but it has been two months now and have not had to buy more. I'm not a doctor but I promise you this does work............
    :bb2:

  14. Doc, this guy seems to be doing just fine on the higher doses of Test. I read alot of your post so can you tell us where the studies are that say that a high Test levels is a def. link to plaque in the arteries. His test showed that his Lipids were fine so whey not re think this a little.

  15. WoW you sound just like all the other Drs. in this world. "Its your way or the highway".

    Well i see your not going to offer any studies that show that elevated Test levels are directly linked to plaque in the arteries.
    And it seems as if you contradict yourself by saying his lipid profiles are trashed and then you say how people with perfectly good lipid profiles are
    having heart attacks!

    I have been on many other boards for years so it shouldnt matter if this is my first time posting.

    Perhaps you can explain the many studies that are living breathing examples of Test abuse who are not dying and have normal blood work. You would think when a Dr. is confronted with real live proof that contradicts what he has been taught he would study these areas a little harder.

    Im not supporting any kind of steriod abuse but I do look at the overall picture when it comes to issues, And if you know of any studies that can help those of us understand about high Test levels and plaque build up Id be interested.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by calibrated
    Christ I'm really confused!!! Somebody help me!

    I started out 14 weeks ago a lactating 58 year old guy, with an expanding pod, with high BP and diagnosed with type II, mentally screwed, ready to commit suicde.

    In 14 weeks I've lost significant BF, BP is great, energy is way up, I have a sex drive again,Type II symptoms are totally gone, I feel better than I have in years. NOW I'm going to have heart problems, BP problems, prolactin problems, Plaque and the dreaded Deca ****!!!!!!! On top of all that I have two Idiot doctors that have probably caused me to have CANCER and they don't don't know HRT from their ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm in serious f---kn trouble here. All from 200mg deca ew for 12 weeks 210mg test E ew and a few weeks of anavar at 20-40mg ed.

    Dr John you have raised some points against my doctors and their practices which may be valid. Now don't leave this hanging. What do YOU recommend for highest T levels and Estradiol levels in older men? Give me some hope here.
    Man I personally think your Dr. and your attention to your health are GREAT! It seems to me that if it aint broke dont fix it! Your bllod work is fine, your BP is fine and you feel great. There is nothing else you can do but monitor and enjoy life.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by calibrated
    Thanks Bro, sorry you were called a troublemaker because of me. Bottom line I'm happy with this, if I've screwed up my health I'll still live longer and better than I would have before. After looking at the amounts of steroids some are taking year round I find it very difficult to believe that 14 weeks at those dosages is going to kill me. Stay tuned, my doctor is aware of this now and had some prettty good observations that I will post later on. Right now I would like to see how Dr. J responds to my questions on his idea of safe levels and dosages, if he does.
    No problem Bro. Believe me in my years in sports and BB I have seen things that defy modern medicine. I just thought it was strange that the Dr. started bashing your Dr. as if his medical opinon was the only one! And as far as the word cycle goes, alot of people out there say that 100mg a week of Test is still doing a cycle. I think we should not be concerned with the words but rather the actions and interactions of the drugs and at what amounts and still get positive results. How in the world can a DR. look at your past profile and look at the one you have today and come to a medical conclusion that you are in an unhealthy state. I think it just comes down to EGOs and lets remember that Dr. John is not a MD so he has taken some short-cuts in his career also.
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