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Old 05-12-2006, 10:47 AM   #31
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I was not feeling my best for a few days this week. Very lethargic and somewhat of a unstable stomach. This has passed and all systems are up. Lost a couple of workouts but I am making up for it. Since the addition of T3 I have converted to a minor cutting diet. Hit the scale this morning at 196 with no noticable muscle loss, just the pants getting lose. Even though I have lifted most of my life I have never been lean enough to show abs. Well I am on my way as the definition creeps in. Not sure how long it will take but I am on a mission. It is not as easy to manipulate as it was 20 years ago but it does still work. Muscles at 20 something was easy in comparison to now. Pay attention to the details for they matter more now than they ever did.

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Old 05-16-2006, 04:08 PM   #32
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Weighed in this morning at 195. Insomnia is a major problem with TRN. Coupled with the T3, has raised the heart rate so much that I need to slow down and keep super sets and the like to a minimum. I have been dealing with this by taking longer rests between sets. This allows me to keep the intensity up but keep the cardio effect to a minimum. The REM R3G is not improving my sleep patterns any but I do notice less muscle soreness than I usually have. I am beginning to question the ZOL. I have previously used Prostan @ 100mg and found it good for me, great for hardening and drying. Heck with the Prostan I got the red eyes, but not with ZOL. Perhaps there is synergy going on here. I am running 200mg ZOL and dont believe I am getting the same or similar result. As for the TRN, with a cutting diet it appears I am getting some vascularity in the legs and arms like never before. Of course I must say I didn't notice this till I worked out in shorts and just happen to run my hand over the leg. The hair obviously hides it from plain view. Of course I have that lovely winter white thing going on as well. Can't wait to open the pool for that reason alone. I am curious what TRN will do under an abundance of calories. If I don't consume enough carbs prior to WO I can sure tell. T3 is tolerable at this point. Appear to be leaning out but am unsure as what to expect being the first encounter. Can anyone comment on T3 and post cycle therapy? It seems to not be the thing to do. Plenty going on in the threads with Alb/Keto/Clen but what about T3 and post cycle therapy? Wouldn't the lack of anabolic support be too catabolic to muscle tissue?

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Old 05-18-2006, 04:43 PM   #33
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I have bumped to 125mcg of T3 and believe I now notice a difference. Allot warmer and sweating more at night. The pants are continuing to get loser. I have hit the last notch on the belt and it is not enough. I'll have to get a new one if this goes where I want it to. I have added TST to the mix as I feel like I am standing still with the TRN/ZOL. I also will drop the ZOL as I feel it isn't benefiting me any at this point. Droping it should answer that. Libido is slipping and appears to be some shrinkage but minimal at this point. I am keeping the weights heavy and still running the 3 day split. I started carb depletion yesterday as well. Hungry none the less.

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Old 05-18-2006, 05:17 PM   #34
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I have bumped to 125mcg of T3 and believe I now notice a difference. Allot warmer and sweating more at night. The pants are continuing to get loser. I have hit the last notch on the belt and it is not enough. I'll have to get a new one if this goes where I want it to. I have added TST to the mix as I feel like I am standing still with the TRN/ZOL. I also will drop the ZOL as I feel it isn't benefiting me any at this point. Droping it should answer that. Libido is slipping and appears to be some shrinkage but minimal at this point. I am keeping the weights heavy and still running the 3 day split. I started carb depletion yesterday as well. Hungry none the less.

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Old 05-18-2006, 06:26 PM   #35
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What do you expect of the TRN/ZOL combo that it isn't delivering?
I guess the shortest answer would be a drier harder effect. I base this on previous prostan usage. Granted I had not run it with TRN, so I am eliminating the ZOL to find out what it was doing if anything. My biggest concern I suppose right now is maintaining the proper anabolic state for the T3 and muscle preservation.. Two more weeks to go.

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Old 05-18-2006, 06:43 PM   #36
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Can anyone comment on T3 and post cycle therapy? It seems to not be the thing to do. Plenty going on in the threads with Alb/Keto/Clen but what about T3 and post cycle therapy? Wouldn't the lack of anabolic support be too catabolic to muscle tissue?

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Grunt in your research did you find anything relating to this?? I know you understand T3 fairly well as I have followed your logs and gleaned allot from you as well. Sure seems to be a NO-NO but I am curious if anyone has looked at it. Or is it there are better choices in Alb/Keto? I know that Dr. D states he has been running thyroid implementation for years. Perhaps he has or could comment on the subject. I am sure he has bumped into a cycle or two along the way to a better thyroid.

EDIT: let me add I dont mean to be cutting during PCT just maintaining the metabolism so to speak, figuring it should provide a rich environment for hormone production.

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Grunt in your research did you find anything relating to this?? I know you understand T3 fairly well as I have followed your logs and gleaned allot from you as well. Sure seems to be a NO-NO but I am curious if anyone has looked at it. Or is it there are better choices in Alb/Keto? I know that Dr. D states he has been running thyroid implementation for years. Perhaps he has or could comment on the subject. I am sure he has bumped into a cycle or two along the way to a better thyroid.

EDIT: let me add I dont mean to be cutting during post cycle therapy just maintaining the metabolism so to speak, figuring it should provide a rich environment for hormone production.

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Dr. D says thyroid hormones help even recovery in PCT quicker. I concur. Thyroid basically makes EVERYTHING faster. As long as you keep the dosage low, you should be OK. I myself am extending T3 2 weeks into PCT, one at 25mcg ED, and the other one at 12.5 mcg ED. I start my thyroid PCT during that week, as 12.5mcg isn't suppressive. I believe the amount of T3 naturally produced by the body averages 24.6mcg daily. (don't quote me on that figure, it's from memory and could be wrong).

No matter, yes T3 at low doses can be beneficial in most situations. It is used in bulking at 37.5 - 50 mcg with AAS also, although T2 is said to be superior in this instance... Another story, that.
 



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Old 05-23-2006, 07:21 PM   #38
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One more week to go. I am tapering down the T3. I will run 12.5mcg during post cycle therapy in an attempt to benefit the metabolism. Strength has maintained considering I have been in a caloric deficit. It's been five days since dropping ZOL and I do not notice its absence. TST/TRN has a nice anabolic feel at this point. The TST seemed to make a difference with the libido for a few days. But only slightly. All else is stable...

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Smoky, Have you done any bloodwork at this point? I would be curious to know if a cycle of this length and combination of multiple hormones will/has seriously impacted your numbers. Having been watching this since you started and running some overlapping compounds myself, I am encouraged to extend my cycle plan .............
 
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Smoky, Have you done any bloodwork at this point? I would be curious to know if a cycle of this length and combination of multiple hormones will/has seriously impacted your numbers. Having been watching this since you started and running some overlapping compounds myself, I am encouraged to extend my cycle plan .............
I start post cycle therapy tomorrow and no tests as of this time. Hope to find some more time to post later. Quite busy here, dealing with allot of issues. More later...

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I am now in the second week of post cycle therapy with my current research program.

CLomid 100/50/50/25
Nolva -on hand
T3 12.5mcg
DHEA 100
AX_PCT 4/3/2/2
Retain 3 ED taper off
Activate wk 3-5
Cissus Rx

Overall condition good. So far it has been a smooth program. It is the best post cycle therapy to date. The Clomid restores faster than Nolva and gyno is not an issue to date. So far choices have been good. The AX_PCT also runs better than the RXT. Seems to effect the libido less. Overall restorative progress is excellant to this point.

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Great bulking and strength gains during the highly anabolic stage of the cycle which the Xmass/PP provided. Smoother than superdrol by far that stack was. The program then transitioned into a cutter to further my research. TRN/Zol became the tools of choice. I became disenchanted with ZOL so I replaced it with TST and that worked out well. Eating and working out were done instinctively with good results. Bulking produced approximately 15lb. at it's highest point. It was a wet bulk as well. As I moved the program into cutting mode things progressed well. Weight today was 190lbs. which has been constant since beginning the post cycle therapy portion of the program. Strength has dropped a bit but as expected. Cissus Rx was being applied during cycle as well. Shoulder irritation GONE! Dumbell presses vs bar were easier on the shoulder in this program. Arnold Presses were standard but it easier on the shoulder to NOT do them. So conventional DB movements did the job. Good warm up is a MUST! then dig deep and work it.

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About to enter the 4th week of post cycle therapy. All is well and holding. The Activate is speeding my recovery even more so. Big thumbs up to DS for the product. I have also added anagen which I beleive I am beginning to feel after a week of 4 ED. Bumping to 5. If this continues we may have another hit on our hands.

Got a Cholesterol screening the other day @ work.
So after this somewhat complex cycle and stacking of several orals here we are:

Total Cholesterol 162
HDL 31
TRG 76
LDL 116

To me things are looking good, as in much better than I expected. So at this point other than standard post cycle therapy protocol for me, I am stacking Activate, Cissus Rx, and Anagen. I have taken it easy with the workouts as far as intensity for the past 3 weeks. Last night the workout was great and easy. So I am going to begin cranking it up again and see what potential lies within.

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