Thinking about HRT......

**delta314** · 02-11-2006, 07:19 PM

Been checking out all the "legal" avenues for test...jeez, they are expensive. Looks like about $385 for bloodwork, $190 for the consultation, $50 for ???, and then somewhere around $125-$175 for 12 week supply of test cyp. I'm not sure how much they prescribe to pin a week, probably not near as much as someone who did not have a script would use. I just wonder if it will be worth it.

**tattoopierced1** · 02-12-2006, 10:31 AM

dang. I went to my Dr. got bloodwork, paid $20 for the co-pay, and pay $50 for 10 weeks of test cyp. Most is covered by my insurance. Might want to go that route if you think you have low test..if you are trying just to get legal juice, then you'll pay some $$ for it.

**Beowulf** · 02-12-2006, 10:39 AM

what kind of dose did they prescribe?

**delta314** · 02-12-2006, 11:00 AM

I'm going to check out some Doctors on my health plan, I think these online deals are way off the board with their prices. Then they probably low dose you.

**tattoopierced1** · 02-12-2006, 11:18 AM

started out a 100mg, after my next bloodwork, he mentioned upping my dose.

**delta314** · 02-12-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tattoopierced1

started out a 100mg, after my next bloodwork, he mentioned upping my dose.

Have you noticed any changes in your body composition yet? What are the expected results?

**tattoopierced1** · 02-12-2006, 01:01 PM

at 100mg my test levels are still low per my last bloodwork. I am going in on Friday to get more work done to see where my levels are. I am thinking he is going to up me to 200mg per week. Off of 100mg per week, I did notice an increase in my sex drive, other than that, nothing...but my test levels are still low, so after we alter the dosage, i'll report back.

**delta314** · 02-12-2006, 01:14 PM

They claim 9% Increase in lean muscle
14% Reduction in Body Fat ...

lifted · 02-12-2006, 02:12 PM

After getting out of trade school, I am now working a new job that has really good health insurance.

I also just had more bloodwork done after being AAS free for 9+ months now. My TT is only 350 and FT was really low, don't have numbers atm. My body doesn't show it though and by looking at me, you would never think that I had low-average T levels. Due to my training style and diet, I try and be over cautious about overtraining and the like which is and has payed off greatly. Right now I sit about 255-260 and and have somewhat visible abs when relaxed....I'm a natural ecto, but have the advantage of having a large bone frame. But being AAS free for this long, I'm slowly losing LBM due to genetics and for the time being I really don't care much as I think I'd be happier with a smaller physique, say 240 or so.

Anyways, to make a long story short

, I went to an endo last week and he said that I would be able to get on HRT if I chose to do so. I told him yes, but only if I could get injections and do them myself. He said no problem and I think I may start it up here real soon. He said something like I would only have to pay around 100-150 month for continous bloodwork, and cyp injections. Other ancillaries if needed would require a co-pay of 20 each or so...not too bad if you ask me.

Has anybody ever heard of a younger guy getting HRT when they are still within hte normal range for T levels? I just don't want to mess up a good thing and have this doc get in trouble or whatever.

lifted · 02-12-2006, 02:14 PM

oh, and just to clarify, I'm not using this for personal stash, I'm doing this in order for me to get my T right around 1000ng/ml...that would be totally worth it for myself.

**delta314** · 02-12-2006, 02:53 PM

I think 350 is kind of low for someone your age. I believe the doctor would be correct in offering you HRT if you so desired. I'd like to get my body weight down around 190-200, but I don't want to lose any muscle, actually add more and lose some bodyfat.

lifted · 02-12-2006, 02:57 PM

Well, that would be cool then. It would be so nice to be able to eat less calories each day and workout more w/o worrying myself to death about overtraining and things. I have to eat around 5500 cals each day to try and keep as much LBM as possible and that of course keeps adding to the waistline....especially when I cannot workout very much due to OT'ing. It's like I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't...lol.

lifted · 02-12-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by delta314

I'd like to get my body weight down around 190-200, but I don't want to lose any muscle, actually add more and lose some bodyfat.

I think those are some realistic goals. You would do nicely if you go the HRT route as do all men. It will really help with building LBM and losing fat...these things are sometimes taken for granted when looking at other young guys or guys that have naturally healthy T levels in general.

**delta314** · 02-12-2006, 03:49 PM

I've pretty much decided to do it, now I'm just checking out all the different options/prices.

colkurtz_spf · 02-14-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lifted

After getting out of trade school, I am now working a new job that has really good health insurance.

I also just had more bloodwork done after being AAS free for 9+ months now. My TT is only 350 and FT was really low, don't have numbers atm. My body doesn't show it though and by looking at me, you would never think that I had low-average T levels. Due to my training style and diet, I try and be over cautious about overtraining and the like which is and has payed off greatly. Right now I sit about 255-260 and and have somewhat visible abs when relaxed....I'm a natural ecto, but have the advantage of having a large bone frame. But being AAS free for this long, I'm slowly losing LBM due to genetics and for the time being I really don't care much as I think I'd be happier with a smaller physique, say 240 or so.

Anyways, to make a long story short

, I went to an endo last week and he said that I would be able to get on HRT if I chose to do so. I told him yes, but only if I could get injections and do them myself. He said no problem and I think I may start it up here real soon. He said something like I would only have to pay around 100-150 month for continous bloodwork, and cyp injections. Other ancillaries if needed would require a co-pay of 20 each or so...not too bad if you ask me.

Has anybody ever heard of a younger guy getting HRT when they are still within hte normal range for T levels? I just don't want to mess up a good thing and have this doc get in trouble or whatever.

350 is low. My level was 475 before I started HRT, but I'm old enough to be your dad. Still, at your age I would exhaust all alternatives before starting HRT. It’s important to know that test levels can fluctuate radically. They can be affected by any kind of illness, change in diet, sleep patterns or training. There is a book about hormone control through diet. I'm sorry but I cannot remember the name. I'm sure you'll find a lot of information on the net.

Also, USPLabs has a supp called Powerfull. I think it raises test levels without negative sides. I'm on a transdermal test cream (200 mg/day) which is much less potent than injections. After 10 weeks on Powerfull, my total test jumped to 1711.

Running a cycle is one thing, but committing to HRT at your age is a major decision – one that you have to be sure of.

JKurz1 · 02-14-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tattoopierced1

started out a 100mg, after my next bloodwork, he mentioned upping my dose.

So, are you making gains on that dose? You cycle on and off in conjuction with HRT?

**tattoopierced1** · 02-14-2006, 11:57 AM

no, i dont use HRT for "gains" I use it to feel normal, not tired, etc.. Sure things are a bit easier in the gym now that my test levels are in the low normal range, but that isnt why I use HRT for the gains. If I want to see more gains than my diet is providing, then I'll use gear. If you dont need HRT, there is no point in trying to get it just to get dr. prescribed test to make "gains". If you arent making gains naturally, then there is something wrong with your diet. And yes I have used in the past, made good gains while on HRT and gear.