[okboy63]

Some interesting ideas in this article
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/core_april_1.htm
and given the fact that as you age it's more difficult to recover from cycling prohormnones/AAS in general it seems might be best to not exceed 4 weeks on(especially if you don't have access to HCG) or add a 1 week stack of pct recovery items for every 4 weeks on.
I wonder if anybody out there has tried the 4/2 theory ?

The idea to use nobotropics to increase sex drive was new to me as well.(CNW sells a product called enlighten that has some of the stuff talked about, in it)

[Rogue Drone]

I haven't read that discussion, My belief/experience is that an older person should avoid the more suppressive and generally health hazardous gear like M1T, and stick with juice like M4OHN, Superdrol, Anavar, Proviron, 3-alpha, etc. If you are going to do the hardcores, double up on health supps and for sure get some HCG, it's not that hard to find.

I've done a lot of Gear. I still find it best to do longer with less versus shorter with more for my body to adjust and retain my gains.

A lot of older guys should, IMO, look into maintence or cyclic doses of a steroidal AI like ATD. A loading dose of 2 for five days and 1 every 3rd day thereafter or so should keep one's T high and E low, but not excessively wiped out, but this protocol requires ongoing bloodtests to run properly.

[okboy63]

ATD seems to make me lose my libido but I may give your protocol a shot after my pct.
A loading dose of 2 for five days and 1 every 3rd day.

I have been thinking about the following for sort of an off cycle cycle.
Shoud be very little shutdown
IGF-1
Formestane(may have some synergy with the IGF-1)
T-2 as a repartioning agent
Some natural test booster(ATD,RXT,Powerful etc)

[THETEST]

I am 48, and just started my 2nd cycle - used SD in the 1st cycle, now using PheraPlex. My question is on using any Natural Testosterone boosters while on cycle. Last time I did take them but natural test went from 700 to 29 anyway - its close to 300 now, so I was thinking of taking TestoFIN from IDS (Fenugreek & fenuside). Any advice would be appreciated.

[size]

I believe that shorter on periods are a wiser choice(ex 4 weeks on with 4 weeks off). There is a lengthy thread in the anabolics section about short cycles. While it may be geared towards more common aas usage, it is definitely worth reading in my opinion.

[regino007]

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[Greyvolk]

Currently on a 4 week cycle.No more long ones for a variety of reasons.Prop, winny, var, nolva, proviron, hcg for pct. In and out fast, then begin again.

[okboy63]

It would be nice to be able to get HCG for Pct. Proviron as well even 4oht would be nice
People talk about how easy it is to get I don't find it to be true at all.
I have decided to not do anymore, max lmg,19 nor,nandrolone-oh , I think I'll pass on the Meth/tren from aLRI ;even though i respond well there is something about these things that make pct very rough for me.

[CROWLER]

From the thinking now a days HCG is not to be used for PCT but for during the cycle.


CROWLER

[LCSULLA]

I would think 4-5 weeks. Get in then get out.

[okboy63]

Originally Posted by CROWLER

From the thinking now a days HCG is not to be used for PCT but for during the cycle.


CROWLER

Usually the case, but here is a link where Dr .D recommends HCG for a guy having ED 20 months out from a cycle
Dr. D help


basically. My question is what could somebody use as an HCG replacement in the following protocol if anything ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SABAGOY
Im about to get my HCG. You said were going to run 15-30 IU the first month. Is that all were going to run? Cause i might as well get all the stuff i need at once. Also, having a tough time finding the fareston so im going to go with clomid. I have heard about people complain about gyno from HCG should i get some nolva as well? Thanks alot.


Yeah, 15-30 thousand units of hCG! I'm assuming your shut down really hard, but if not, we may be able to cut this in half. Here's the basic plan.. subject to change products, times and doses based on your weekly responses:

wk1: hCG 3000iu 3x/wk, Letro 1.0mg/d
wk2: hCG 2000iu 3x/wk, Letro 0.5mg/d, Fen 4caps/n
wk3: hCG 1000iu 3x/wk, Letro 0.25mg/d, Fen 5caps/n
wk4: hCG 250iu 3x/wk, Letro 0.25mg EOD, Fen 6caps/n, Clomid 200mg/n
wk5: Clom 150mg/n, RXT 75mg/d, Trib 6 caps/n, DHEA 100mg 2x/d
wk6: Clom 50mg/n, Nolva 40mg/n, RXT 75mg/d, Trib 8 caps/n, DHEA 100mg 2x/d
wk7: Nolva 40mg/n, RXT 100mg/d, Trib 10 caps/n, DHEA 100mg/d
wk8: Nolva 20mg/n, RXT 100mg/d, Fenugreek 4 caps/n, DHEA 100mg/d
wk9: Fenugreek 5 caps/n, RXT 50mg, DHEA 50mg/d
wk10: Fenugreek 6 caps/n, RXT 25mg/d

Take a little Cialis, yohimbine and/or Proviron as needed for "situations" and use 15-30ml coconut oil/day. Get extra fat in general, saturated