[pappybay]

Starting HCG tomorrow. Dose rate of 500IU two times per week. Any thoughts on injection dates? My Test C injections are Sunday and Wednesday. I did read where one physician was recommending the day AFTER the injection.

[pillsRgood]

Starting HCG tomorrow. Dose rate of 500IU two times per week. Any thoughts on injection dates? My Test C injections are Sunday and Wednesday. I did read where one physician was recommending the day AFTER the injection.

Are you currently on trt without HCG? If so why add now?

[pappybay]

Are you currently on trt without HCG? If so why add now?

My doc does not agree with addition of HCG, my second doc does.....

[tilldeath]

All depends where you're at and what your looking to get from it. Are you just starting test-c cycle, midway into it, or starting post cycle?

[pappybay]

All depends where you're at and what your looking to get from it. Are you just starting test-c cycle, midway into it, or starting post cycle?

Six months in on TRT, no cycles.

[tilldeath]

Six months in on TRT, no cycles.

Should be fine @ 250 twice a week IMO, I'd dose same day as test. Get bloods as per doc request.

[j2048b]

I do hcg either the day before test shot, or the day after, mine r 250 iu 2 times a week, along with anastrozole or exemstane depending on what i have at that time


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[pappybay]

Should be fine @ 250 twice a week IMO, I'd dose same day as test. Get bloods as per doc request.

The HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - elimination halflife-time EHT is about 33 hours for intramuscular or subcutaneous injections. IF Test C is 48 hours to peak, I do not want my HCG peaking that close at 33 hrs. IF I delay 24 hours then, in theory, I have smoother Test levels (assuming 500IU's produces Test naturally). All theory but this is what I am trying.

[j2048b]

The HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - elimination halflife-time EHT is about 33 hours for intramuscular or subcutaneous injections. IF Test C is 48 hours to peak, I do not want my HCG peaking that close at 33 hrs. IF I delay 24 hours then, in theory, I have smoother Test levels (assuming 500IU's produces Test naturally). All theory but this is what I am trying.

now is this all based on bw? or just how long hcg lasts in a male upon in jection? because if someone is fatter, id think hcg would hang around a bit longer?

[pappybay]

now is this all based on bw? or just how long hcg lasts in a male upon in injection? because if someone is fatter, id think hcg would hang around a bit longer?

I did not read anything about a relationship to body weight. I know with some things like Arimidex the absorption rate can be slowed by taking with food versus on an empty stomach (3-5 hours with food versus one hour without). I am pretty sure your body's absorption rate is not impacted by body weight, otherwise it seem logical that injections would be recommended to be IM versus SC.

[j2048b]

I did not read anything about a relationship to body weight. I know with some things like Arimidex the absorption rate can be slowed by taking with food versus on an empty stomach (3-5 hours with food versus one hour without). I am pretty sure your body's absorption rate is not impacted by body weight, otherwise it seem logical that injections would be recommended to be IM versus SC.

bw= blood work, but can be construed as body weight as well, haha!
any wase, i just wonder how one figures without bloodwork, how long the hcg would taper off by? i mean one usually takes hcg a few days before pinning test, in order to give their levels a boost, thats why i usaully do mine when my test is set to taper, then do my next test shot a day or two after so it all stays pretty level, not many dips or valleys imo.

but with sc, id think the bigger u are fat wise, it would take more time for that chemical to disperse?

[pappybay]

bw= blood work, but can be construed as body weight as well, haha!
any wase, i just wonder how one figures without bloodwork, how long the hcg would taper off by? i mean one usually takes hcg a few days before pinning test, in order to give their levels a boost, thats why i usaully do mine when my test is set to taper, then do my next test shot a day or two after so it all stays pretty level, not many dips or valleys imo.

but with sc, id think the bigger u are fat wise, it would take more time for that chemical to disperse?

Sorry about the miss on BW, duh on me. I agree with your strategy 100%. If I am pinning on Wed and Sun then the Test would peak on Friday and Tuesday so maybe I need to use the HCG on Thursday and Monday.

[j2048b]

I pin mon/ thrs with test,
Hcg sunday/wed
Anastrozole 1 mlg tuesday/friday

And its awesome!


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[pappybay]

On HCG at 500 iu's twice a week. I am running labs next Wednesday. Should be interesting. Not sure I can "feel" any difference but I "think" my scrotum has dropped close to normal.

Labs will tell all....

[pillsRgood]

In for results

[RoadBlocK]

In for results

Me too.

[tilldeath]

in, debating 250ius or 400ius 2x a week atm.

[pappybay]

I may split the 1,000 iu's per week into three 333 iu injections based on the half-life of HCG.
I used 100 MG of Test C in my injection today, had been running 80. Now that I think about it that could mess up labs. The labs "should" show some "LH"?? maybe??

[pappybay]

I did not pull labs yesterday and I will hold off until next Wednesday. Bad day for me, family matters..........

Sorry guys.

[alwaysfirst]

Can somebody explain the importance with hcg during TRT? I have had TRT for about a month but haven't added the hcg yet, will the "cycle" get better with hcg or can I hold off for while?

[pappybay]

Can somebody explain the importance with hcg during TRT? I have had TRT for about a month but haven't added the hcg yet, will the "cycle" get better with hcg or can I hold off for while?

Here is the information I collected:

Some doctors are recommending using 200–500 IUs twice a week for men who are concerned about testicular size or who want to preserve fertility while on testosterone replacement. Higher doses, such as 1,000–5,000 IUs twice a week, have been used but I believe that these higher doses could cause more estrogen and DHT-related side effects, and possibly desensitize the testicles for HCG in the long term. Some doctors check estradiol levels a month after this protocol is started to determine whether the use of the estrogen receptor modulators tamoxifen (brand name: Nolvadex) or anaztrozole (brand name: Arimidex), is needed to counteract any increases in estradiol levels. High estradiol can cause breast enlargement and water retention in men but it is important at the right blood levels to maintain bone and brain health.

A very well known doctor in the field of testosterone replacement, Dr. John Crisler (allthingsmale), recommends 250 IU of HCG twice per week for all TRT patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly testosterone cypionate injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, he reports to be shifting that regimen forward one day. In other words, his patients who inject testosterone cypionate now take their HCG at 250 IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their weekly intramuscular shot. All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (he reports that rarely more than 350 IU twice weekly dose is required).

Hope this helps. In theory you should get a test boost, and a natural scrotum position (versus drawn up) as HCG mimics LH which stimulates the leydig cells to produce Test.

I am guessing in you probably know all this...

[alwaysfirst]

Here is the information I collected:

Some doctors are recommending using 200–500 IUs twice a week for men who are concerned about testicular size or who want to preserve fertility while on testosterone replacement. Higher doses, such as 1,000–5,000 IUs twice a week, have been used but I believe that these higher doses could cause more estrogen and DHT-related side effects, and possibly desensitize the testicles for HCG in the long term. Some doctors check estradiol levels a month after this protocol is started to determine whether the use of the estrogen receptor modulators tamoxifen (brand name: Nolvadex) or anaztrozole (brand name: Arimidex), is needed to counteract any increases in estradiol levels. High estradiol can cause breast enlargement and water retention in men but it is important at the right blood levels to maintain bone and brain health.

A very well known doctor in the field of testosterone replacement, Dr. John Crisler (allthingsmale), recommends 250 IU of HCG twice per week for all TRT patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly testosterone cypionate injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, he reports to be shifting that regimen forward one day. In other words, his patients who inject testosterone cypionate now take their HCG at 250 IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their weekly intramuscular shot. All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (he reports that rarely more than 350 IU twice weekly dose is required).

Hope this helps. In theory you should get a test boost, and a natural scrotum position (versus drawn up) as HCG mimics LH which stimulates the leydig cells to produce Test.

I am guessing in you probably know all this...

Thanks! Very good info

[pappybay]

Okay. back on track for labs tomorrow.

[pappybay]

Labs pulled on Wednesday of this week. Now we wait.....

[pillsRgood]

Updates?