Does your body "adapt" to TRT?

[pappybay]

If HCG in fact keeps the testes functioning at small dose levels (250 per week based on threads on this forum), I thought why not. My MD has a different opinion and he is the one writing the scripts......

[threeFs]

yeah, same here. But if you look at some of the anti aging clinics, they include hcg and AI's with trt as standard procedure... Funny how that works

[s2h]

Very good advice. Have you tried to use HCG at all and if so, what was the result? I will have my SHBG tested on my next labs. Have you ever used maca to help with e2 (estrogen??) levels?

i have not tried maca before..i am prescribed and take 250ius of hcg every monday and thursday..i would just go e3d's but its alot easier for me to remember mon/thrus...keeps the "boys" nice and full..def look at your shbg..most doc dont or wont even test for it..alot are in the dark on hrt..

[s2h]

HCG is very expensive for vanity, imo. Plus, it can add to e2 issues and make you bloated. I ran it for 3 bottles because I also felt weird with my nuts shrinking, but I had sides I didn't like. I literally would bloat up worse than if I was on creatine mono and get real moody. But my nuts looked great. LOL.

I couldn't find it under $125 a bottle for 30 days worth.

if ya look around and i think you could def find a better price then $125 em..unless your using a high dose..how much hcg did you run that made you feel uncomfortable?..and in conjunction with what other supps?

[s2h]

OK good to know. Actually, I think my E2 was getting too high. I started exemestane today and placebo or not, I think that was what I needed. Not sure erase pro was strong enough.

erase and aromasin arent in the same league...

[s2h]

If HCG in fact keeps the testes functioning at small dose levels (250 per week based on threads on this forum), I thought why not. My MD has a different opinion and he is the one writing the scripts......

try educating your MD..i always say if your doc isnt well versed on HRT then showing them some facts based clinicial research can help sometimes..

[kisaj]

if ya look around and i think you could def find a better price then $125 em..unless your using a high dose..how much hcg did you run that made you feel uncomfortable?..and in conjunction with what other supps?

500iu twice a week when I was injecting once a week and then I had to switch to 500iu 3xweek. The problem was that even though I technically had enough for a 60 days, it would lose all effectiveness after the bac water in 30-40 days. In my opinion, unless you still plan to have kids, it is a useless product on TRT.

[kisaj]

erase and aromasin arent in the same league...

They aren't, but I wouldn't say they are worlds apart. For an OTC, Erase is very good for those of us that don't suffer from bad e2.

[s2h]

500iu twice a week when I was injecting once a week and then I had to switch to 500iu 3xweek. The problem was that even though I technically had enough for a 60 days, it would lose all effectiveness after the bac water in 30-40 days. In my opinion, unless you still plan to have kids, it is a useless product on TRT.

i use it only to keep my testies full....all done with kids..if yours is from a script..you can ask the doc to right the script different to allow for the pharm to fill it in lower iu vials...that way you dont have to reconstitute all at one time...

[pappybay]

If HCG in fact keeps the testes functioning at small dose levels (250 per week based on threads on this forum), I thought why not. My MD has a different opinion and he is the one writing the scripts......

Okay, let's say I show the MD research and he is okay with giving it a try. My test production is shutdown at present and everything I have read says you have to start with massive doses (5,000) to get test production post cycle,then back off. I would be attempting in a permanent cycle mode, i.e.. no "post cycle" How do you get test production started in that scenario?

[threeFs]

Okay, let's say I show the MD research and he is okay with giving it a try. My test production is shutdown at present and everything I have read says you have to start with massive doses (5,000) to get test production post cycle,then back off. I would be attempting in a permanent cycle mode, i.e.. no "post cycle" How do you get test production started in that scenario?

Not sure your question. If you're shutdown from TRT, and on it for life, why do you want natural production?

[EasyEJL]

Okay, let's say I show the MD research and he is okay with giving it a try. My test production is shutdown at present and everything I have read says you have to start with massive doses (5,000) to get test production post cycle,then back off. I would be attempting in a permanent cycle mode, i.e.. no "post cycle" How do you get test production started in that scenario?

you don't get it started. the HCG mimics the natural hormone LH which is what causes the testicles to create testosterone themselves. you'd want to start no higher than 250iu 2x a week and evaluate at a month. If you still think you have shrinkage, then going to 500iu is possible. But at that point you may start getting excess estrogen

[pappybay]

you don't get it started. the HCG mimics the natural hormone LH which is what causes the testicles to create testosterone themselves. you'd want to start no higher than 250iu 2x a week and evaluate at a month. If you still think you have shrinkage, then going to 500iu is possible. But at that point you may start getting excess estrogen

Sounds right to me and I been challenged by excess Estro. At one point I started getting itching nipples, but since I have moves to 3 MG per week, I have not noticed any symptoms and the slight joint soreness (cured with Fish Oil) may be a positive indicator of Estro control. I will run labs in about three weeks and we will see. Your comments on how HCG works connected.

[pappybay]

3F, your point is well taken and I agree in theory. I would hate for ( and I know you guys will be the h beat of me verbally for this) Obama's administration to make changes in healthcare that could cause problems with my TRT program (insurance coverage, etc.) or for some reason I could not afford the TRT, I would be stuck with a set of testes that had not produced in many years. There seem to be many "research paper" and personal observations about challenges with a test restart in those situations.

This conspiracy logic is the only reason I am interested in the HCG.

[pappybay]

Regarding MACA, I have stated a run and will give everyone my observations (probably belongs in supplement section). It is noted to help with AI and lift sexual function. Probably smoke and mirrors although it has been around and used for thousands of years......

[EasyEJL]

3F, your point is well taken and I agree in theory. I would hate for ( and I know you guys will be the h beat of me verbally for this) Obama's administration to make changes in healthcare that could cause problems with my TRT program (insurance coverage, etc.) or for some reason I could not afford the TRT, I would be stuck with a set of testes that had not produced in many years. There seem to be many "research paper" and personal observations about challenges with a test restart in those situations.

This conspiracy logic is the only reason I am interested in the HCG.

but this is pointless. You are on TRT because your body doesn't create enough testosterone. Forcing yourself to take more drugs, then more drugs to counteract the effect of those drugs just in case you may have a problem staying on TRT is totally backwards from a health sense since you still after that won't be creating enough anyhow if your TRT is forcibly ended.

[kisaj]

Wow, this thread took a turn for the worse. So now we are talking about taking a drug because of made up theory on what the current administration might do.

Holy crap.

[pappybay]

but this is pointless. You are on TRT because your body doesn't create enough testosterone. Forcing yourself to take more drugs, then more drugs to counteract the effect of those drugs just in case you may have a problem staying on TRT is totally backwards from a health sense since you still after that won't be creating enough anyhow if your TRT is forcibly ended.

After thinking about it, I agree 100%. It is pointless.

[pappybay]

Wow, this thread took a turn for the worse. So now we are talking about taking a drug because of made up theory on what the current administration might do.

Holy crap.

Funny, but the information is relevant and informative.

[BJE]

I do/do not understand? I am at 160 mg per week and adding muscle mass at a faster than ever rate (compared to younger years and pre TRT at my current age). I assume at some point my body will not add additional mass despite my best efforts, including proper diet, sleep, rest, etc. Not sure why I assume this but the competitive body builders ( I have no such goals) are on a much greater TRT rate than me ( I assume to support?? Existing mass and add additional mass). Therefore, it follows that I will "max out" on sustainable muscle mass at some point. I am not sure this conflicts with your comments.

I just do not want to be disappointed in my goal to move my weight from 180 to 205-215 and maintain that weight.

BTW, thank you very much for your comments, they are appreciated.

I have been lifting for thirty years without adding much mass. Since I switched from test cream, which did little good, to test cyp injections the end of last August I have added an inch to my biceps and about ten pounds of weight. A small amount of that is fat and some of it may be water.

I'm thinking about hcg. My balls are smalls and it feels weird.

I use HCG to keep them large. The thing is, they don't really get small they just get sort of light and soft. They don't hang and when warm my scrotum would just hang there empty.

HCG is very expensive for vanity, imo. But my nuts looked great. LOL.

I couldn't find it under $125 a bottle for 30 days worth.

Yes, but I'm vain. I have been buying Pregnyl 10000IU vials for about $69. Supposed to be good for 60 Days.

500iu twice a week when I was injecting once a week and then I had to switch to 500iu 3xweek. The problem was that even though I technically had enough for a 60 days, it would lose all effectiveness after the bac water in 30-40 days. In my opinion, unless you still plan to have kids, it is a useless product on TRT.

Unless of course you like your testicles big.

Something I am trying which was suggested in another forum is to load syringes with HCG then freeze them. There is supposed to be some research out there somewhere saying that this works. Doing this I can get 20 weeks at 250 per week out of one 10000IU vial. If my testicles stay big then I guess I'll know it's working.