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    Your iron levels may be a bit low. Look into that.
    Free test is on the low side.
    Where is the LH and E2?
    If the E2 is high the LH will be low big piece of the puzzle right there and prob where your issue might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    but those aren't low. The range is the NORMAL range. 481 for total testosterone is totally fine and there is no way that is a cause for ED. There are pro athletes with that for a testosterone level. Without seeing estrogen, prolactin and maybe dht, i'd say that horomones don't appear to have anything to do with your issues.
    Hmm but I don't have ED I can get an erection with no problems. My Libido is the issue. They look low to me to be honest. Just because they fall in a range and they are indeed on the low side of some of these ranges IMO. This doesn't mean "I" shouldnt be at a higher range to feel better right? Everone is different and If my test needs to be at 800-900 to feel better then that's what it is for me correct?

    I guess I need to see if I can get my Estrogen Prolactin and dht tested too. Man this is a pain in the ass, why dont the dr's just run all the test the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenstinkfist View Post
    Hmm but I don't have ED I can get an erection with no problems. My Libido is the issue. They look low to me to be honest. Just because they fall in a range and they are indeed on the low side of some of these ranges IMO. This doesn't mean "I" shouldnt be at a higher range to feel better right? Everone is different and If my test needs to be at 800-900 to feel better then that's what it is for me correct?

    I guess I need to see if I can get my Estrogen Prolactin and dht tested too. Man this is a pain in the ass, why dont the dr's just run all the test the first time.
    if desire is the problem and not performance, there is just about 0 chance it is hormonal related. if it was hormone related, you'd have performance issues on top of desire. Stress, lack of sleep, change of medication, other psychological issues etc are way more likely culprits.


    There would have to be something else wrong for you to "need" 800-900, as odds are good your testosterone level was only that high for a few years between 18-22, if it was ever that high. When you try to treat an issue not caused by one hormone by raising the level of that hormone, sure you may be able to make it go away but at the same time you are then just starting to create new issues over time. "Everyone is different" has nothing to do with what should be a functional range. If it is at all hormone related, its a hormone that you haven't had tested yet as all of those that you have above are in functional range.

    And just so as you more get what I mean, lets say your testosterone levels haev been more or less stable around 500 for the past 10 years. But 3-4 years ago, your estrogen started creeping up. A high estrogen level can dampen sex drive (but as I stated above should also then dampen performance). At the same time, raising your total testosterone now could cause the testosterone : estrogen ratio to get back to a point where your libido feels more normal again. But that would be a much higher estrogen level than now, which in and of itself can lead to other problems - more fat retention, i believe an additional trigger for BPH, hairloss, etc. But your testosterone level as it is without knowing what the other hormones are is definitely in functional range. Normall for a 41 year old, the range is reported more like 280-800 btw. It looks like your lab is using a more general "men over 21" range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Your iron levels may be a bit low. Look into that.
    Free test is on the low side.
    Where is the LH and E2?
    If the E2 is high the LH will be low big piece of the puzzle right there and prob where your issue might be.
    What is LH and E2? Estrogen and?

    So if my E2 is high and LH is low what can one do to fix that?
    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    if desire is the problem and not performance, there is just about 0 chance it is hormonal related. if it was hormone related, you'd have performance issues on top of desire. Stress, lack of sleep, change of medication, other psychological issues etc are way more likely culprits.


    There would have to be something else wrong for you to "need" 800-900, as odds are good your testosterone level was only that high for a few years between 18-22, if it was ever that high. When you try to treat an issue not caused by one hormone by raising the level of that hormone, sure you may be able to make it go away but at the same time you are then just starting to create new issues over time. "Everyone is different" has nothing to do with what should be a functional range. If it is at all hormone related, its a hormone that you haven't had tested yet as all of those that you have above are in functional range.

    And just so as you more get what I mean, lets say your testosterone levels haev been more or less stable around 500 for the past 10 years. But 3-4 years ago, your estrogen started creeping up. A high estrogen level can dampen sex drive (but as I stated above should also then dampen performance). At the same time, raising your total testosterone now could cause the testosterone : estrogen ratio to get back to a point where your libido feels more normal again. But that would be a much higher estrogen level than now, which in and of itself can lead to other problems - more fat retention, i believe an additional trigger for BPH, hairloss, etc. But your testosterone level as it is without knowing what the other hormones are is definitely in functional range. Normall for a 41 year old, the range is reported more like 280-800 btw. It looks like your lab is using a more general "men over 21" range.
    Thanks, one thing I do notice is that I'm retaining water more and my hair has thinned and I'm starting to lose some of my hair line as well. I'm shedding more and more. So I'm assuming Estrogen and dht are the issues there correct? I need to get those tested as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenstinkfist View Post
    Thanks, one thing I do notice is that I'm retaining water more and my hair has thinned and I'm starting to lose some of my hair line as well. I'm shedding more and more. So I'm assuming Estrogen and dht are the issues there correct? I need to get those tested as well.
    yep, and trying to raise your testosterone will only make the 2 of those worse. So although you might get some short term (first couple months) change from going on TRT, it would come back worse after once levels re-stabilize. Thats why finding something that is far off enough to be the cause is so important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yep, and trying to raise your testosterone will only make the 2 of those worse. So although you might get some short term (first couple months) change from going on TRT, it would come back worse after once levels re-stabilize. Thats why finding something that is far off enough to be the cause is so important.
    Ok so lets say my Estrogen and DHT are high, I'm not sure what LH is? What would one be able to do to fix those issues?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenstinkfist View Post
    Ok so lets say my Estrogen and DHT are high, I'm not sure what LH is? What would one be able to do to fix those issues?
    LH is leutenizing hormone.

    Don't fantasize about a cure. get the tests done, see where you are. Then when there is really enough data to point to likely causes, look for treating those whichever they are. Everything has mechanism available to treat it, its just finding out the realistic causes that counts.

    I still think it is more likely to not be fixed without looking at the mental aspect, because as I've said I can't recall ever hearing of someone with hormonal caused lack of libido but no performance issues. Far more normal with hormonal related is that the libido is normal and the performance is poor. Maybe not true ED, but unable to stay erect long enough to orgasm, unable to get fully hard, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    LH is leutenizing hormone.

    Don't fantasize about a cure. get the tests done, see where you are. Then when there is really enough data to point to likely causes, look for treating those whichever they are. Everything has mechanism available to treat it, its just finding out the realistic causes that counts.

    I still think it is more likely to not be fixed without looking at the mental aspect, because as I've said I can't recall ever hearing of someone with hormonal caused lack of libido but no performance issues. Far more normal with hormonal related is that the libido is normal and the performance is poor. Maybe not true ED, but unable to stay erect long enough to orgasm, unable to get fully hard, etc.
    My main issues are lack or no libido and I don't get fully hard or my erections are not as strong as they used to be. I don't have the drive, stamina like I used to. I feel tired at times, I have water retention and I'm starting to lose my hair. I don't care about my hair I just want to get hard erections and have better performance in sex wise. Whatever path gets me to that point I will be happy.
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    So when I go back to my DR what other tests do I need? E2, dht, LH anything else?
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    those would be good, the rest of the thyroid ones wouldn't hurt t3/t4/reverse t3 too. It does tend to sound like higher estrogen but its the blood tests that will tell the real story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    those would be good, the rest of the thyroid ones wouldn't hurt t3/t4/reverse t3 too. It does tend to sound like higher estrogen but its the blood tests that will tell the real story.
    Thanks,

    So if my Estrogen is High and causing my issue would I just need to take something like erase pro or do they have something prescribed that fixes an issue like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenstinkfist View Post
    Thanks,

    So if my Estrogen is High and causing my issue would I just need to take something like erase pro or do they have something prescribed that fixes an issue like that?
    theres a few different prescription drugs that could help. There are different drugs for many different scenarios, thats why identifying the scenario is so important as any treatment can have side effects and there is no point to chasing circles of libido up then down again
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    E2 is estrogen. LH is signal from pituitary to make more test.
    Desire is related to the test level and free test level. When my test is out of range the desire totally goes away but comes back once the test level is in range once again. Dopamine is also a contribuitor to desire which is more active with higher test.
    As for the other symptoms, losing hair is genetic and it has more to do with the receptors being ultra sensitive than anything. But it has little to do with test levels. If the DHT is causing this not much you can do.
    Free test is what you want to see going up. If it's low there are 2 ways to rectify it:
    1. Either there is something binding to it taking it away from other uses
    2. Your body just doesnt produce enough to keep up with usage.
    So, def look up into estrogen and LH, DHT, Thyroid..even progesterone. It doesnt seem to me, that your levels are off by much and could just be a end result from just aging, or may be food or sleep.
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    Just a quick update, I'm still waiting to see my DR and get some more test done. I will post the results once I get them.
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    Hi Guys, I'm going to be getting some more blood work done. LH,FSH,Prolactin, Estrogens total soon. I'm also going to see an Endo end of December. I have changed up my diet a bit to see if that helps. I have added 2-4 whole eggs a day and also added some coconut oil too. I added some Sardines a couple times a week as well. Not sure if this will help but it will at least add some more good fats to my diet. I also take fish oil and CLA.
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    Dude how is your diet?? Have you tried natural ****? If you question prolactin smash 400mg of b6 a day morning and night... Also any dhea or Trib? And ill tell ya what if you're stressed and lacking sleep... Forget about it... Sleep was huge for me... Going to bed at 12 and getting up at 5 not good... I started going to bed at 10 and started waking up with hard ons which are great to poke with in middle of night... Good luck bro
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    Thanks for the advice, I will try some b6 do you take a total of 800mg a day or split that into 200mg 2x a day?

    I feel like I eat pretty clean for the most part. I try to go organic on most things. I eat Chicken, Eggs, Egg Whites, grass fed beef 1-2 times a month. Ezekiel Low sodium bread, quinoa, brown rice, avocados, sweet potatoes, apples, red grapefruit, almonds, walnuts, natural peanut butter, walnut oil and avocado oil in salads. Coconut oil. Sardines, Macha green tea daily, coffee, water Natural protein powders. Multi vitamins, cla, green tea, BCAA's

    I may have 1 cheat day a week and one day I may have some beers but other than that I think I eat well. Maybe not??? I don't take dhea at the moment or Trib. I'm waiting to take DAA and the other sups listed in this thread until I get all the tests done and some answers from the DR's. I am dying to try them but I know I should wait so I don't mess up the tests etc...

    Quote Originally Posted by swollz View Post
    Dude how is your diet?? Have you tried natural ****? If you question prolactin smash 400mg of b6 a day morning and night... Also any dhea or Trib? And ill tell ya what if you're stressed and lacking sleep... Forget about it... Sleep was huge for me... Going to bed at 12 and getting up at 5 not good... I started going to bed at 10 and started waking up with hard ons which are great to poke with in middle of night... Good luck bro
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    Sounds like your on my cut diet... Good for you there... Red meats are still a ? But if organic I suppose in moderation.... Also there is great herbal tonics out there bro... I had complete shutdown after test propionate cycle once... I was freaking!! Look up prolatis... Really good herbal with key tongkat Ali aka long jack.... Asian Viagra stuff is good... Also keep you bcaas up and what not... How's your prostate? I know your 40 so are you taking anything(saw palm) I run it at 35... And do try more sleep as hard as it is in this day in age... Hope all goes well... I wanna bang holes till I can't Lmfao
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    Looked at threads above... Lol that was me bro... Ran clomid and nolva Bam done... And still do all other nattys... I made appt but bounced and thank god... They are all right lh and estro an prolactin could all be issue but stuff you need is out there man... Your not unfixable. Dude run a good pct that will get your test lvls up... I'd be shocked if you ate those pros and didn't have full hard on... Also that one a day extenze is herbal with dhea in it... Not sure if longjack is though
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    Yeah, I'm going to go along with the Dr's at this point and wait to start the sups I have and stated in this thread. I don't want to throw off my results with the Dr's. Once I know what's going on then I will start those natty sups and kill it LOL. At least I hope so haha. I also had an ultrasound done on my nuts to see if anything was abnormal. Everything came back normal there and there is no cancer too!! Thank god :-) So my next step will be to see an Endo and have them check me out. After that I wont know what else to do other than run those sups. As far as my prostate I think it's good, I have a physical in December and will get it checked then. But the last time I checked it was good. I take a multi that has saw palm in it.

    What is a good PCT? I think the sups I'm going to take are included in some PCT's correct? I look at the sups I have everyday and just want to start taking them haha but I know I can't. But it's so tempting like the "Big Red" button Ren and Stimpy want to push when they have the "SPACE MADNESS"!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenstinkfist View Post
    Thanks for the advice, I will try some b6 do you take a total of 800mg a day or split that into 200mg 2x a day?
    Be careful with this. If the b6 source is pyridoxine hcl, 600mg a day has shown long lasting nerve damage in some people in as little as 2 months (though it usually takes more like 6) and doses even just up to 200mg have been shown over 6 month spans to cause nerve damage. If you get the b6 from P-5-P that isn't the case, there have been no cases of nerve damage.
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    Thanks EasyEJL, I use opti-Men for a multi. It has 50mg of b6 but it is from prodoxine hcl. I will stick with that for now.
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    OK got some more results back. Here they are, the one that stands out to me is the Estrogen Total.

    Prolactin = 10.1
    LH = 3.03
    Follicle stim. Hormone = 6.20
    Estrogen Total = 132.7

    The normal ranges for Estrogen Total for adults is 40-115 I'm well above that. Could this be my issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenstinkfist View Post
    OK got some more results back. Here they are, the one that stands out to me is the Estrogen Total.

    Prolactin = 10.1
    LH = 3.03
    Follicle stim. Hormone = 6.20
    Estrogen Total = 132.7

    The normal ranges for Estrogen Total for adults is 40-115 I'm well above that. Could this be my issue?
    As I stated in my other post, E2 high LH low. Now you have proof. You need to bring that E2 way down. THe E2 works as negative feedback to the LH. Get the E2 down into the 20s and then LH will go up and so will your tesotsterone levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    As I stated in my other post, E2 high LH low. Now you have proof. You need to bring that E2 way down. THe E2 works as negative feedback to the LH. Get the E2 down into the 20s and then LH will go up and so will your tesotsterone levels.
    Thanks, but how do I go about doing that? I still have more apointments with DR's I am going to see and Endo in a couple of weeks along with my primary DR and the Urologist. LOL I'm sick of the DR's office haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenstinkfist View Post
    Thanks, but how do I go about doing that? I still have more apointments with DR's I am going to see and Endo in a couple of weeks along with my primary DR and the Urologist. LOL I'm sick of the DR's office haha.
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    Question is why is your E2 so high?...As for treatment is simple arimidex .5 -1mg a week for few weeks then retest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
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    Question is why is your E2 so high?...As for treatment is simple arimidex .5 -1mg a week for few weeks then retest.
    That's the million dollar ? I have no idea, I have felt bad for years now and this was the first year I really decided to look into it. I started to feel my libido and sex drive slipping away about 8-9 years ago but didn't really think much about it. But as years went on I knew something was off. So here I am. I'm glad that we may have found out what my issue could be. Now to treat it. I hope the DR's point me in the right direction.

    What could cause your E2 to be so high? Diet, age? I have no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenstinkfist View Post
    That's the million dollar ? I have no idea, I have felt bad for years now and this was the first year I really decided to look into it. I started to feel my libido and sex drive slipping away about 8-9 years ago but didn't really think much about it. But as years went on I knew something was off. So here I am. I'm glad that we may have found out what my issue could be. Now to treat it. I hope the DR's point me in the right direction.

    What could cause your E2 to be so high? Diet, age? I have no idea.
    I would start with diet and your job.
    Do you eat soy or some unusual diet?
    Do you work with substances or chemicals that can convert to estrogen?
    It is also possible that you have a genetic predisposition to convert testosterone into estrogen rather easily. Arimidex will block that enzyme from accomplishing this process.
    Age has nothing to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    I would start with diet and your job.
    Do you eat soy or some unusual diet?
    Do you work with substances or chemicals that can convert to estrogen?
    Age has nothing to do with it.
    I used to eat soy but not anymore. It's been about a year or so since I stoped eating soy products. My diet isn't unusal, I drink a lot of green tea and take some green tea sups but not sure if that has anything to do with it. My job, I'm a Database Administrator so that could be in :-). Just kidding.
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    Haha that could be..lol
    sometimes it is possible the body is just stuck in a bad loop. I would def start taking arimidex and get that E2 lower and let your body start working normal again to produce testosterone. Meanwhile trace your steps from years ago what possibly could have happened and you started to feel off.
    Something is making your body produce all this E2 just cant put my finger on it right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Haha that could be..lol
    sometimes it is possible the body is just stuck in a bad loop. I would def start taking arimidex and get that E2 lower and let your body start working normal again to produce testosterone. Meanwhile trace your steps from years ago what possibly could have happened and you started to feel off.
    Something is making your body produce all this E2 just cant put my finger on it right now.
    Yeah I can't think that far back or don't know of anything that changed. I guess I will see what the dr's say. I hope they feel the same way you do. And try to get my E2 down.
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    One question? How are your breasts? With that high of estro damn man... How's your woman she got you stressed out? Take some dex and test. Then go get you f Test junkie here I've been railing mine every night after gym
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    Quote Originally Posted by swollz View Post
    One question? How are your breasts? With that high of estro damn man... How's your woman she got you stressed out? Take some dex and test. Then go get you f Test junkie here I've been railing mine every night after gym
    LOL I have boobs man!! LOL NO but I have noticed some bloat LOL I will see what the dr's say this month. I wan't to take care of this the right way and fix it once and for all. I still want to take my DAA and Erase etc.. But will wait for the dr's first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenstinkfist View Post
    I used to eat soy but not anymore. It's been about a year or so since I stoped eating soy products. My diet isn't unusal, I drink a lot of green tea and take some green tea sups but not sure if that has anything to do with it. My job, I'm a Database Administrator so that could be in :-). Just kidding.
    Stumbled on this thread looking for help with estrogen... you are not alone... I think the green tea may be upping your e2. Once I started drinking green tea my estrogen went up. I tried erase a long time ago but it didn't seem to be strong enough... Im gonna try erase pro. hopefully that will help and not kill sex drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swollz View Post
    One question? How are your breasts? With that high of estro damn man... How's your woman she got you stressed out? Take some dex and test. Then go get you f Test junkie here I've been railing mine every night after gym
    sorry for the noob question but what is f test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodney 3000 View Post
    Stumbled on this thread looking for help with estrogen... you are not alone... I think the green tea may be upping your e2. Once I started drinking green tea my estrogen went up. I tried erase a long time ago but it didn't seem to be strong enough... Im gonna try erase pro. hopefully that will help and not kill sex drive.
    Yeah I drink about 5-8 cups of Matcha Green tea a day. The health benefits are awesome but maybe it's only ment for women? I don't want to stop drinking it due to the amazing qualities of it.
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    I'm truly a Noob when it comes to all this stuff. But following this thread I have only seen one suggestion to also look at your training and life overall. You've stated that stress is up, so maybe you would want to look at your workouts? I think you said you do 5 days a week? What are your workouts like? I'm guessing you do a one bodypart-per day split? How *intense* are your workouts AND what's the *VOLUME* like? I know when I'm under stress I just don't seem to tolerate high-volume workouts well at all. And we all know -I believe- that high-volume workouts can increase cortisol -which will also decrease Test AND libido (can't recall if you had tested cortisol -did you??). Are you also doing cardio? If so, how much? How long? How frequent and how intense? Cardio could be additional "volume" in terms of overall workout stress.

    Not an expert at all, still trying to figure my own self out trying to "fix" my own physique. But in addition to other measures perhaps you could look at your workouts and see how they fit into your *overall* stress; and maybe modify them somehow. I don't know; but perhaps less frequent workouts, but doing more bodyparts in each workout? (e.g. chest and sh's one day, instead of a chest day and a shoulder day...) Shorter, intense workouts -with appropriate rest days in-between? Maybe dropping "isolation" exercises and just sticking with the "compound" exercises, so that you reduce overall volume -but might help to boost Test (and maybe libido) as well? Stuff like that. ALSO -and maybe I'll get "carded" for this -NOT ALWAYS TRAINING TO FAILURE. I've seen at least one study that showed a decrease in cortisol levels and improvement (or maybe it was maintenance?) in Test levels in guys who did NOT regularly train to failure; compared to guys who went regularly to failure, who had increased cortisol and decreased Test).
    These will probably not help with Estrogen issues, but may help with overall "vitality" and of course libido. Maybe these things and also look into sleep quantity and quality. HAve you looked at ZMA for sleep? Not necessarily for Test boosting as many -myself included- don't feel it really helps with that, but it *may* help with sleep -which in turn can help with libido, morning wood, erection quality, etc.

    Truth be told some of these things I'm suggesting I need to look into as well; particularly the sleep quality bit. Also I plan to buy coconut oil based on all these guys' recommendations. But maybe look into these things IN ADDITION to the other stuff. Good luck, and I look forward to hearing progress.

    P.S. And For the record I used Erase as a standalone for about 2 weeks -mainly aiming to target cortisol but hopefully decrease Estro as well. Lost my libido, and somewhere along the line my nipples started itching -this happened to me yrs ago when I had tried DHEA, probably in too high a dose. Also from the DHEA ( I believe) I had seemed to have a particular pattern of bodyhair loss on the front of my thighs -can't explain it; but back in the summer for some reason this bodyhair grew back. Well I Took Erase -and the bodyhair loss occurred again. SOoooo...I'm not a fan of Erase....But I'm a Noob so........

    Sorry for my long-winded (and First on this site) post. But I wish you Good luck bro!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenstinkfist View Post
    Yeah I drink about 5-8 cups of Matcha Green tea a day. The health benefits are awesome but maybe it's only ment for women? I don't want to stop drinking it due to the amazing qualities of it.
    Do a temporary experiment and stop drinking it for a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    Do a temporary experiment and stop drinking it for a month.
    Ok, I will give it a shot.
  

  
 

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