Cyp injection question

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  1. Ok, I just joined the site and I'm going to jump in and get a couple of my own questions answered here if I can...

    I'm 45 and am taking test-e 250mg/wk. It is DynastyLabs 250mg/ml and I'm doing twice a week (.5ml per pin).
    I am going to add 200mg/wk deca to this after 10 weeks (one bottle) of test' alone.
    I did HGH for 6 months using insulin needles (100cc type) and that was my first experience sticking myself. Those were about 5/8" in length...very small, and I did Sub-Q to the stomach twice a week.

    Ok, so now I've got this test' oil and I'm using 3ml 1.5" 23's into the quad. The first time I buried the needle and decided it was way too deep. I'm not very developed in the legs. The 2nd time I sunk about .75" and that's better, but I still get pain. So far I've only injected twice.

    Frankly, this is more painful than HGH injections using thin pins by far but it was what I was instructed to do by my "advisors".

    As it stands, both drawing and pushing test' oil through the 23 takes forever, and I really have to put some force to the plunger compared to what I'm used to.

    I'd love to shoot sub-Q into fat like the HGH, but I don't see how the plunger could hold up to the force, and it seems like it would take 20min to push 1ml of test' oil through that tube if you went slow enough for the syringe to survive?

    Also I was under the impression that test' (and deca) need to be injected into muscle although I don't know exactly why? I know that even with the larger needle (23), that I'd have less pain if I could inject into fat, but I have no idea how that changes the absorption?

    Thoughts?


  2. I use 25x1.5" in the glutes. I used to use 21 but that's not necessary
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Audiomaker View Post
    Ok, I just joined the site and I'm going to jump in and get a couple of my own questions answered here if I can...

    I'm 45 and am taking test-e 250mg/wk. It is DynastyLabs 250mg/ml and I'm doing twice a week (.5ml per pin).
    I am going to add 200mg/wk deca to this after 10 weeks (one bottle) of test' alone.
    I did HGH for 6 months using insulin needles (100cc type) and that was my first experience sticking myself. Those were about 5/8" in length...very small, and I did Sub-Q to the stomach twice a week.

    Ok, so now I've got this test' oil and I'm using 3ml 1.5" 23's into the quad. The first time I buried the needle and decided it was way too deep. I'm not very developed in the legs. The 2nd time I sunk about .75" and that's better, but I still get pain. So far I've only injected twice.

    Frankly, this is more painful than HGH injections using thin pins by far but it was what I was instructed to do by my "advisors".

    As it stands, both drawing and pushing test' oil through the 23 takes forever, and I really have to put some force to the plunger compared to what I'm used to.

    I'd love to shoot sub-Q into fat like the HGH, but I don't see how the plunger could hold up to the force, and it seems like it would take 20min to push 1ml of test' oil through that tube if you went slow enough for the syringe to survive?

    Also I was under the impression that test' (and deca) need to be injected into muscle although I don't know exactly why? I know that even with the larger needle (23), that I'd have less pain if I could inject into fat, but I have no idea how that changes the absorption?

    Thoughts?
    How did the hgh work for you and are you still going to use it? I use a 22g 1" needle in glute with no problem. There are several guys on the site that pin SQ test but I agree with you on the time it would take to inject. I draw with a larger needle then switch to a fresh, sharp needle to slide right in.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Audiomaker View Post
    I'd love to shoot sub-Q into fat like the HGH, but I don't see how the plunger could hold up to the force, and it seems like it would take 20min to push 1ml of test' oil through that tube if you went slow enough for the syringe to survive?

    Also I was under the impression that test' (and deca) need to be injected into muscle although I don't know exactly why? I know that even with the larger needle (23), that I'd have less pain if I could inject into fat, but I have no idea how that changes the absorption?

    Thoughts?
    I'm not sure but I think that injecting into fat slows down the absorption which can be a good thing if it levels out the spikes and thus reduces E2 and DHT conversion.

    Quote Originally Posted by emantest View Post
    There are several guys on the site that pin SQ test but I agree with you on the time it would take to inject. I draw with a larger needle then switch to a fresh, sharp needle to slide right in.
    I am one of those guys. I use a 5/16" 31g and I really have no trouble drawing or injecting. Drawing can take up to two or three minutes but injecting only takes maybe ten seconds. This is with under .5ml. I really don't know why people think it is such a problem, but perhaps not all oil used is the same thickness. I did one in my thigh this morning with a 1/2" 28g IM and it still hurts tonight.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by emantest View Post
    How did the hgh work for you and are you still going to use it? I use a 22g 1" needle in glute with no problem. There are several guys on the site that pin SQ test but I agree with you on the time it would take to inject. I draw with a larger needle then switch to a fresh, sharp needle to slide right in.
    Well, I didn't see a huge difference using HGH, nor did I expect too. I was at an "average" dose and I guess you aren't really supposed to start feeling much until month 6. I was at month 6 when my company suffered new competition that put us out of business, so I could not continue the approx' $400/mo trial.

    I did feel a bit more youthful and my skin was a little tighter...eyes brighter...etc. I was also taking better care of myself during this time so it's hard to say what the source of the effect was (as it always is).

    I have heard that taking HGH with other stacks makes your gains permanent by changing your baseline physique, and of course that is what I would like to do, so when I can afford it, I will add it again.

    My goal is to look like that 70yo Cenogenics guy by the time I'm 50 (5 years from now), and stay that way until death (which with my luck will be 51..lol)

    As for injecting test'/deca SQ into fat, I'm really curious about this now. I plan to "stay on" until I reach the physique I'm after, and that could take a few years, and once I decide I don't wish to grow anymore, at least stay on T and HGH for maintenance.
    A slower absorption would seem to be ideal for this. I'm wondering though if there are other reasons you need to inject intramuscular besides absorption rate? There could be other reasons like antibodies destroying the product while it "waits" too long to be absorbed.
    The answers to this I do not know, but would like to.

    The main thing for me is pain and soreness. Like I said, I've only pinned twice now in the quad's. I know you can pin in the glute's but I'm just one of those who isn't comfortable with that (using a mirror..etc.). Both times I've been sore in the quad's even varying the depth and the soreness takes 3 days to go away.
    On that schedule (two pins a week forever), I'll always be sore *somewhere*. If there's a way around that, I'd like to find it.

    Regards
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by BJE View Post
    I'm not sure but I think that injecting into fat slows down the absorption which can be a good thing if it levels out the spikes and thus reduces E2 and DHT conversion.I am one of those guys. I use a 5/16" 31g and I really have no trouble drawing or injecting. Drawing can take up to two or three minutes but injecting only takes maybe ten seconds. This is with under .5ml. I really don't know why people think it is such a problem, but perhaps not all oil used is the same thickness. I did one in my thigh this morning with a 1/2" 28g IM and it still hurts tonight.
    I don't know, but I'm going to try it once I get a consensus that it's OK to inject into fat (SQ) and only the absorption rate is changed.I think what I'll do is draw with the 23/3ml and remove the plunger from the insulin needle and fill it from the back (needles aren't removable). It will be interesting to see if the insulin needle will allow me to push test oil. My oil is at room temp (69 degrees) and it's even hard to push through the 3ml/23.One thing that I don't think people are considering about the larger diameter syringes is the hydrodynamics of it. A 3ml offers nearly 3 times the surface area to the pressure of the fluid. Put another way, it will take nearly 3 times the pressure on the plunger to achieve the same fluid pressure as a 1ml tube of the same length. This might not matter in lower viscosity solutions, but with oil I'm betting it does.So, thinner tube = less force on the plunger, but in most cases that pressure is also running through a much narrower needle. Without knowing the inner diameter of the needles, it would be hard to calculate which is easier except to try it.Not that there's any danger of this, but there is also the theoretical possibility of damaging the tube due to high pressure, or the product (I don't know if there is any pressure threshold for these substances).Over-thinking again... gotta stop that

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Audiomaker View Post

    Well, I didn't see a huge difference using HGH, nor did I expect too. I was at an "average" dose and I guess you aren't really supposed to start feeling much until month 6. I was at month 6 when my company suffered new competition that put us out of business, so I could not continue the approx' $400/mo trial.

    I did feel a bit more youthful and my skin was a little tighter...eyes brighter...etc. I was also taking better care of myself during this time so it's hard to say what the source of the effect was (as it always is).

    I have heard that taking HGH with other stacks makes your gains permanent by changing your baseline physique, and of course that is what I would like to do, so when I can afford it, I will add it again.

    My goal is to look like that 70yo Cenogenics guy by the time I'm 50 (5 years from now), and stay that way until death (which with my luck will be 51..lol)

    As for injecting test'/deca SQ into fat, I'm really curious about this now. I plan to "stay on" until I reach the physique I'm after, and that could take a few years, and once I decide I don't wish to grow anymore, at least stay on T and HGH for maintenance.
    A slower absorption would seem to be ideal for this. I'm wondering though if there are other reasons you need to inject intramuscular besides absorption rate? There could be other reasons like antibodies destroying the product while it "waits" too long to be absorbed.
    The answers to this I do not know, but would like to.

    The main thing for me is pain and soreness. Like I said, I've only pinned twice now in the quad's. I know you can pin in the glute's but I'm just one of those who isn't comfortable with that (using a mirror..etc.). Both times I've been sore in the quad's even varying the depth and the soreness takes 3 days to go away.
    On that schedule (two pins a week forever), I'll always be sore *somewhere*. If there's a way around that, I'd like to find it.

    Regards
    Thank for your comments regarding hgh. Seems like you should have seen gains at 3 months. My bro just ordered a 6 month run so we will see how he does. Hard to drop a grand right now.
    When I first started injecting I went lateral quad and I had the same pain you had described. I use left glute one week then switch to the right glute. No pain, minimal vessels to hit and not as nervy as quads. Technique to find sweet spot is: with your right had index finger find your iliac crest which is top of hip, then with your thumb behind or in an open position fix your index finger on the crest then move your thumb down I a sweeping motion. No mirror required

  8. Quote Originally Posted by VS91588 View Post
    Holy hell! You use 3inch pins for quad? I use 1.5 for glute and 1 inch for quad and it's perfectly fine for me... But yeah about the blood. It's no big deal once and a blue when I pin in my quad i'll hit a vein. Do you aspirate b4 loading? Aspiration is good cuz if you see blood than you know to pull out. I rather hit a vein than a nerve in the quad cuz it is excruciating pain!


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  9. dont know why every one uses quads. VG is ten time easier and no pain!
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  10. Right in the glute with 25g. I pull with an 18g so it takes about 2 seconds and then switch needles. The whole process takes about a minute.

  11. Using a 25 gauge. I have been improving technique over time and have found if I inject S L O W L Y I have less "day after" pain. Since trying glute injections I have not gone back to delts and never will.

  12. AM is great, ain't it? So many guys here with such great knowledge

  13. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    AM is great, ain't it? So many guys here with such great knowledge
    I agree 100%. Most posters are also very, very tolerant of people like me who irritate the experienced pros.............

  14. No one else here does subcutaneous injections?

    I have been doing this for a year now.

    Got the idea form ChocolateMilk on the Anabolic forum here.

    2 injections of 100mg each a week into flanks or inner thighs

    So much easier
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    No one else here does subcutaneous injections?

    I have been doing this for a year now.

    Got the idea form ChocolateMilk on the Anabolic forum here.

    2 injections of 100mg each a week into flanks or inner thighs

    So much easier
    I do sub q injections.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by emantest View Post
    Use the glute, not as vascular and not as many nerves except need proper technique could hit large saphenous vein. I use 1.5 to inject and etheyl chloride spray to numb area zero pain
    What he said^^ I've been giving myself injections for the last 5 months only in my glute. Upper right quadrant. Stick with confidence my friend.

  17. Yeah I use Cyp with a 1.5/ 23 at 200mg 2x wk. My wife does it for me. She's a champ at drawing out that test LOL. She shoots in my glutes. I switch everytime I shoot. Never have pain in the glutes but when I would shoot myself in the lateral quad. Hot damn I would get massive PIP... I remember one time doc gave me a 300mg shot in the lateral quad. I thought I blew my ****ing leg out. Had to take pain pills for 2 days lmao. I also had that blood shoot out once. Definitely not cool when I wasn't expecting it LOL... Getting ready to start my dbol for 4 weeks to kick start this Cyp as I up it then finish of with some Anavar the last 6 wks. Should b good

  18. Your doctor is giving you 300mg shots of test? lol

  19. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Your doctor is giving you 300mg shots of test? lol
    Pic of script dose or BULLSH** lol

  20. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Your doctor is giving you 300mg shots of test? lol
    Is the doc also your best friend? Damn

  21. Maybe he's a PhD

  22. I have got a friend that goes to anti-aging clinic that is on that dosing. There is probably a reason they don't accept insurance there

  23. I thought I blew my ****ing leg out.

    Damn that **** is funny!!!

  24. You could warm the oil before pining will help it flow better if trying to pin sub q with slin pin . Worst pain ever was letting some one Pin my traps with syp I could hardly lift my chin of my chest traps were so tight.lol now but at the time wasn't so funny.

  25. Anti-Aging clinic is the way to go. However, mine does not give me 300mg a wk, I wish. But the script is the important part.
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  26. I tried a 5/8" pin since my body fat is very low. I have a nice knot in my gluteus for almost a week now? Not sure if the two are related but I am back to the 1" pins next injection. BTW I tried the 5/8" based on the advice of the NP at my physician's office.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by pappybay View Post
    I tried a 5/8" pin since my body fat is very low. I have a nice knot in my gluteus for almost a week now? Not sure if the two are related but I am back to the 1" pins next injection. BTW I tried the 5/8" based on the advice of the NP at my physician's office.
    I use 5/8" too for my trt dose 50mg and under. I use 1" for blast dose.

  28. I use a 5/16" 31g needle.
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