Trt plus ph

[vassille]

Update:

Got tested a week after my 3rd injection and T came back at 227.

If you assume a 7 day half life and run the numbers, I had ~260 mg of test available after the 3rd injection and one week later I tested at 227ng/dl.

I was able to convince the Endo to move me to 150mg/ week. Based on the math, I am not convinced my T levels will ever be where I want them given the amount of t cyp I suspect the Endo will prescribe. Given my response to 200/2 weeks, I project 150/ week will have my T levels cycling between 250 and 500 every week. Not ideal for someone interested in making fitness gains, but it will be better than where I was on the gels.

Btw.

I am 6'4"
270 lbs
I get pinch tested at 15-16% bf

My overall goal is to improve composition either by gaining muscle or losing fat or both. Probably prefer to be a little leaner While I am getting my trt sorted out I am going with a calorie deficit and trying to lean out a bit.

2.5 years ago I was at about 310lbs and 30% bf. I dropped 60 lbs in 6 months. At 250 I was miserable. I had lost all my strength, lost a ton of muscle and was sitting at 15% bf and unable to get any lower. Since then I have concentrated on lean gains and have managed to gain 20 lbs and maintain the same bf. bench is back up to 415 Still, have not yet been able to get leaner. I was hoping that the test would help break through that barrier. I was really disappointed to recently start putting on more midsection ( all other factors mostly constant) I was blaming it on bloat and increase in estro. So I am now taking some erase and evaluating my progress.

Still thinking when I get my lab testing schedule out to 6 months, I am going to cycle some sd with epi bridge. Previous ph cycles resulted in me
Losing gains in pct even though recommended protocol was followed. I am blaming that on not having good enough baseline test to fall back on.

First we'll see how it goes on 150mg t cyp/ week and a little erase thrown in.

I welcome any and all comments and advice. Big thanks to those who have chimed in.

at 227 you need to take your next shot that is def low. As for the fat around mid section it is possible your E2 is high and also maybe the diet needs a look over as well.
If at 150 a week your bloat is worse than before your E2 is most likely high or you sensitive to it.
When you dropped at 250lbs how was your diet like?..protein/carbs/fat ratios
TRT is not really meant for making a whole lot of fitness gains..for that you do a cycle!
If you want TRT for fitness gains you need to drop some serious body weight IMO

[vassille]

Can you explain your prediction?


I ran a spreadsheet with all of this. Can't post from my phone, but think about this.

One week after a 200 mg dose(plus what was remaining from previous doses) I was at 227. That means that I peaked the previous week at about 450.

It's hard for me to believe that next mon (1 week after a 150 mg dose) I can not be any higher than 227 and the compounding effects of residual t cyp plus my new weekly doses don't add up to much more than 500

Not trying to be arguementative, just trying to learn. Would be a happy mofo if I never dropped below 400

What am I missing?
Ty

your doctor will not let you take another shot if your levels are 400 at the time when you ready for your next shot. They need to see levels at or around 250-300 because when you take a shot it will shot up to 1200 or so then slowly come down and if your starting point is higher and higher then you will venture more over 1200-1500 levels thus increasing your E2.
If you want to keep your levels around 500 then your initial shot will be more like 1500. With that you need an AI in most cases. No doctor will go for that ...a rejuv clinique will might though
Not trying to be a kill joy but you are asking too much from a regular endo.

[Novice 58]

at 227 you need to take your next shot that is def low. As for the fat around mid section it is possible your E2 is high and also maybe the diet needs a look over as well.
If at 150 a week your bloat is worse than before your E2 is most likely high or you sensitive to it.
When you dropped at 250lbs how was your diet like?..protein/carbs/fat ratios
TRT is not really meant for making a whole lot of fitness gains..for that you do a cycle!
If you want TRT for fitness gains you need to drop some serious body weight IMO

Yeah, the truth comes out. When I was losing the 60 lbs, my diet was as little as possible without regard to macros. Cardio 2x/ day. I would have done soooo much better if I had only supplemented with a little protien. That's why at 250 I was misrerable with not much lower bf% than I have at 270. A couple of things I know are impeding my progress. 1 my diet. It is as strict as I am willing to deal with right now. I make the conscious choice to not sacrifice some things - weekend family stuff. Running te kids around and catching their extra cirriculars means some meals out , etc. having said that. On a " regular day, I am about 2k-2.5k cals with 50/25/25 protien/carb/ fat.

The second thing that kills me is my job. 8 hrs of sitting on my ass. That's why 2x workouts/ day worked because I could put some activity on either side of the period of inactivity.

I actually lose weight on vacation be ause I keep my diet reasonable without sacrificing too much and stay active most of the day

Trt goals are to feel a little better and to see some kind of improved results from the work I am doing. As much effort as I put into the gym, I feel like my low t had been inhibiting progress. Would just like to be able to progress the way I used to. I benched 415 when my t was around 88. Just a point of reference. My goal is not necessarily to get stronger , but to improve body comp. if I work hard enough to have the same strength as I did when I played football in college, my body comp should reflect it. At 15% bf, and a reasonable calorie restricted diet, it certainly does not. Suspect the low t and elevated e as contributor to my lack of progress.

[Novice 58]

your doctor will not let you take another shot if your levels are 400 at the time when you ready for your next shot. They need to see levels at or around 250-300 because when you take a shot it will shot up to 1200 or so then slowly come down and if your starting point is higher and higher then you will venture more over 1200-1500 levels thus increasing your E2.
If you want to keep your levels around 500 then your initial shot will be more like 1500. With that you need an AI in most cases. No doctor will go for that ...a rejuv clinique will might though
Not trying to be a kill joy but you are asking too much from a regular endo.

Yeah, targeting the high- mid range is looking like a pipe dream. If I can just get leveled out to a reasonable mid range where I feel somewhat better and have a test base that will allow me to make fitness progress, then I will be happt