Had a minor heart attack saturday.
02-28-2012 04:24 PM
Had a minor heart attack saturday.
Saturday morning went to work with bad upper abdominal pain almost like severe hunger but no appetite. Barely made it through til 2pm but toughed it out. Got home and applied a heating pad to my stomach and start having diarrhea that lasted on/off two hours then fell asleep on the couch. Woke up 2 hours later and went to get up and felt like I been stabbed in the center of my chest. Wife came home from work to take me in to ER where they proceeded to do EKGs , CT scans and and heart ultrasounds while under observation the while night. I informed them completely on my test cycle and supplement usage. My bloodwork was coming back with outstanding numbers and they couldn't figure it out. Then they checked enzyme levels or something and the ultrasound showed my blood wasn't pumping through my heart fast enough but my heart rate was jacked. I'm still a little foggy on that part of the diagnoses since from that point on as i was pumped full if dilauded and everybody went into hyperdrive and a team of EMTs transported me to another hospitals cardiac unit where they preformed a cardiac cath on me. They run a wire up you femoral artery into your heart to clear any blockage. But they found I had no blockage and after the procedure put me on heparin and nitro glycerin to thin my blood amd so on. Upon talking to the cardiologist before discharge he told me my test cycle had absolutely nothing to do with what happened as no enlargement of the heart or abnormal blood levels were found other then the enzyme thing which I don't completely understand but he believed stress and anxiety were most likely the cause. I have had a to of stress lately so it makes total sense but at 34 and in my health I never thought it would cause this even though on the heart attack scale they said it was a 5.2 rating from a scale that's measure 5.0 and up so it was what they called a mini heart attack. The doc said I could ease back into my normal routine in 4 days and follow up in 4 weeks. I know it wasn't the cause but I'm uneasy about finishing my cycle on one hand but don't wanna throw all this hard work away on the other. I lost 10 lbs over the weekend in the hospital and under the circumstance this is the least of my current worries but is something I need to address. If I do my last 3 injections I'm thinking of just going high rep/ lighter weight for the remainder of the cycle thru pct and adding light cardio with gradual build up. Or I could just start nolva in a few days and work out the same as previously stated and the cycle would pretty much be a wash but I could start my next planned sustanon cycle earlier in the summer the originally planned. As for the stress I'm going back to doing what I enjoy, bartending. That may sound funny to some but the money is good with less hours and more time with my family and enjoyable things . I tried a different career path and it's brought me nothing but unhappiness and stress. 60 hours a week and I'm walking with a check that's the same as two good nights at the bar. Anyways , this is alot to take in for the average forum goer I know do based on the responses I get I may repost this in the old guy thread even though I'm a year younger then the requirement there I think the heart attack may have just bumped me a year or so older at least .
( i posted this in the regular anabolic forum but reporting here to hear what those more around my age group have to say and If you guys have had any similar experiences)
02-28-2012 07:18 PM
The logic of continuing the cycle despite what the doctors say is careless (in my opinion). You have a family who could not care less how much weight you move in the gym, my days of cycles and squats (bad back) ended the month before my first was born, my goals now are to be the fittest dad at soccer practice, and dance at my grand kids wedding (my oldest is 2 so its a 50 year plan) I still lift...you get the point im going for...be smart, be fit, be healthy. Not trying to be preachy
02-28-2012 07:23 PM
02-28-2012 07:26 PM
I guess you didnt actually read his post..
Originally Posted by GodofWine
Originally Posted by mikeg313
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02-28-2012 07:51 PM
There's really not enough information here to give him any good advice. He says there was no blockage - yet he had a heart attack? It could have been stress cardiomyopathy - or something like it - but usually heart enzymes aren't elevated with that condition. He's had a heart attack - but his Doc says he can "ease" back into his normal routine in 4 days? I haven't heard this advice given before.
Unfortunately - he's kind of caught in a pickle with two bad choices. Who knows what really caused the heart attack - but taking steroids after such an event, even if unrelated, isn't the wisest move in the world. However, his only other choice is to terminate the cycle and put his body through the stress of PCT ... also not a very attractive choice.
02-28-2012 08:05 PM
Yeah my cardiologist seemed surprisingly loose with his diagnosis and follow up instructions. I actually had to pitch a bitch just to get answers and get my cardiologist to come talk to me while I was there. Maybe it's because I have no insurance I don't know but I wouldn't say my treatment was handled on a very professional level what so ever. He literally said to my face and I repeated the question twice to make absolute sure that heard him correctly that he said I could continue testosterone and I could continue lifting in 4 days
Originally Posted by HondaV65
02-29-2012 01:46 AM
Just out of curiousity how does that work with no insurance? A whole night and ER visit and all those tests, you're probably looking at like $10K right? I don't have insurance either so I'm basically waiting till something bankrupts me, just curious.
02-29-2012 07:10 AM
I'd sure want to get a copy of all the tests on you and do my own checking if I were you. If you can afford it, find out who's the best cardio doc in your area and pay for some out of pocket tests by a doc that's good. You need answers. A whole lot of docs, including cardio docs are mediocre at best.
02-29-2012 09:30 AM
Yeah its prolly around the 10k mark. I have alot of unpaid hospital bills built up over the years. Seems everytime something bad happens I'm not covered at the time. I had planned to declare BK this year anyway but now I guess ill wait til this goes to collections as well. I hate to have to do it but the choices in a case like this are limited . This countries health care system is and always will be ****ed and based on greed just as everything else here is. Don't get me started I don't want another heart attack
Originally Posted by CaseyW
02-29-2012 11:43 AM
You just mistook what I said...I dont care if the doctor said the AAS had nothing to do with it or not, leaving the ER , hugging the family, and then inject ing yourself with roids you did not buy from a pharmacy is not the logical thing to do. At some point in life "its no longer about you", this is one of those times. Im all for the bodybuilding lifestyle, I still live it more then most, but he just had a heart attack...minor or not, he had a heart attack....
Originally Posted by JudoJosh
I wish him the best whatever path he chooses
02-29-2012 12:57 PM
^^^ I've posted more on my reasoning in the other anabolic area , just reposted here for maybe a few hits from the older crowd hoping they'd have some experience.
03-02-2012 12:41 AM
Coenzyme Q10 is helpful to your heart. ubiquinol is best form. If you are not on it then you need to reaserch it. I gave it to my mum who had heart problems and she was told by the doc that her heart has nothing wrong with it after 3 months on it. This is after being told she needs surgery.
Also my pulse dropped 20 beats after taking Q10. During intense squats I sometimes hit 30 reps without my heart feeling it is jumping out as it use to.
This is why I have no faith in the medical system. They try to pump tablets and get you to have an operation so they make $$. sad. Big Pharma loves our $$
03-02-2012 06:44 AM
Hey man, I hated reading that you had a heart attack and I hope you are doing ok now! I know we don't know each other but we have been some of the same post. I was like,I know that guy! Lol anyways man, I would do a body cleanse and a good pct and chill! Being ripped with a 6 pack has to be good for the heart! Change your diet if it's bad, there is so much crap in our food. I wish you the best.
03-02-2012 12:08 PM
I wish you the best.
I had to back off my cycle.
Went from 117/78
To 140/84 in week 6.
I just started PCT to weeks after last Inj.
Back down to 124/80 in second week.
I am thrilled with results I got, but not at the risk.
As for diet.
My best results come from a modified Vegan Diet.
I still have whey protein and Fish, but pretty much had to clean out my diet of other things.
Wish you the best man.
03-02-2012 07:14 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone,
@ Kiro, I'm deaf gonna pick up some Q10 soon. Haven't used it in a long time. I'll look into that other stuff too, sounds very promising. Sounds like you come from a family with heart issues as well. I just found out I did after my attack. Not very close with my family.
@ Larry , yeah I was suprised to see my HDL so low with all the avacados and natural PB I eat everyday. My diet has been very clean,all organic I guess would be the next step but who can afford that?
@shelton , I'm pretty bummed bout this happening period but on cycle makes it worse. I've already dropped ten pounds and look noticeably smaller over the last few days. I won't be able to work out hard so I'll most likely lose almost all my gains. Gonna start later next week with simple light lifting and light cardio push/pull ups and what not.
03-02-2012 07:30 PM
Hope you feel better soon. When stuff like this happens it really puts things into perspective. When the doctor said "Ease back into it" that could mean something completely different to him than to you. He really has no perspective on how hard you lift or how hard you push yourself in the gym. I'd want a second opinion if I were you. At the ER you never get straight answers. Its just "Get them in, get them stable and get them out.". At least that has been my experience.
03-02-2012 08:20 PM
Ya t bone I want to take the docs advice but my gut saying not to. The unsure look on the doctors face wasnt reassuring when I was explaining my cycle and all the info behind it. It was obvious he had barely if any knowledge of what I was saying.
03-02-2012 08:26 PM
A cardiologist really isn't an endocrinologist and AAS is really more their expertise.
03-02-2012 10:03 PM
Yeah they should keep their mouths shut if their not absolute rather then possibly lead somebody astray. I was a rather odd 3 days in the hospital and my conversations with the 3 or 4 docs I spoke with from beginning to end were pretty disappointing. My wife says I come off as scary when I speak in person and I actualy think im a pretty nice dude when I'm talking serious. I just get intense when I'm trying to communicate and completely understand a situation.
Originally Posted by rmsshelton
03-02-2012 10:24 PM
Everybody read the post. But if your naive enough to think dr's know everything about what goes on in the body your sadly mistaken. I just recently finished medical school and in one of my text books it stated that we only know less than 10% of what happens in our bodies. So I agree with taking it easy for now especially when your a dad.
Originally Posted by JudoJosh
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