My question comes because over time on this and other boards, I have seen kids playing games, pulling our chains whatever to get a reply or a rise out of the guys here. This Over 35 section has been the best such board around, no games, no names, no insults. Just lots of honest and helpful info. Two guys in their mid 80s is a very extreme example. Under no condition would I condone a guy who runs test for training purposes getting involved before a doctor and a blood panel were done. Heck he really didn't give any detailed reasons for wanting test. If someone wants to consider HRT then we have a great forum adjacent to this one with some very informative stickies to bone up on. With that homework and then a doctor's visit they could decide if, what and how.
Having spent too many years fighting with Docs over my PSA, BPH and in my youth Prostatitis, I hold the medical profession in low esteem. With their education, training and professional journals all driven by the Big Pharma/Med industries, they are ill equipped to do their best. I have watched too many friends die from cancer, too many have unnecessary PC operations, radiation and chemo all for the good of the Oncology bank accounts and not for the good of the guys needing help. Now at last there are strong voices debunking the PSA test god and advising often a course of benign neglect. Still at the age of 84/86 the likelyhood of existing PC is so strong that using HRT would probably not be a safe solution to their needs. To summarize my rambling I question the whole premise of guys that age looking for HRT, if they are in fact real. I question advising them to use HRT as valid. I question anything at that age which doesn't start with some base testing to determine what is wrong and what are the best options for such a case.
I found your comments and attempt to turn around what I said and believe in, then and again now, insulting and got the immediate feeling that I was dealing with some young kid. I had never had that experience on this board.