Is HRT worth it?
- 06-30-2011, 02:48 PM
- 06-30-2011, 03:50 PM
Dutchman, I would really appreciate your input here, as an older guy, been around here awhile. Im on the fence with this, how would a guy know he would benefit from some minor T replacement, in the form of Androgel? Thanks
06-30-2011, 06:15 PM
I reccomend whos on the fence about TRT to try DAA plus an AI at least one before they decide they need TRT. DAA alone made my balls swell, despite the fact that 1) I was already a guy who probably had high test levels, and 2) I didnt even take it with an AI, and my body fat wasnt very low either. A guy whos test is in the gutter would probably respond even better. Just lower the AI dose if your joints get sore.
Remember, LH is really important for sex. When your producing lots of test, LH is generally high. A test injection wont increase your LH though, but it can possibly decrease it.
06-30-2011, 07:35 PM
The current recommendations for DAA, say not to use it for more than 8 weeks. There are no long term studies to show what it will do if used longer than that time frame and there is already an article suggesting the possibility of kidney damage from long term use.
If LH is so important for sexual function, it begs the question, how can men who have been castrated resume sexual function with TRT therapy?
The post below comes from a castrated male on this site: http://ehealthforum.com/health/topic234.html Emphasis mine.
Yes, im a castrate male on TRT, so I know these issues 1st hand. All desire and drive is lost if i stop hormone replacement therapy, but i function still, just cant reach oragasam very well, and it dosnt seem important. When im on TRT i am normal.
Men who NEED TRT, need it for the rest of their lives.
06-30-2011, 07:37 PM
06-30-2011, 08:21 PM
Im 57, done several OTC cycles, low dose pulses, not really up for blood work and all, but recovery from wo's is def diminished after decades of continuous exercise. However, I dont want to shut-down, using a patch or gel will do that. Thinking maybe that, without labs I wont know where Im at.
06-30-2011, 09:44 PM
06-30-2011, 11:32 PM
07-01-2011, 01:15 AM
07-01-2011, 02:26 AM
DAA works. It also increases LH, which is also important for sex. Test injections wont increse LH. Adding an AI to make the DAA work better, should give you a test boost that you should at least experience once, to say you tried one last thing before a life of pharmacology. Plus, your at the age where DHEA is recomended to boost both health and test. I highly reccomend you try the DAA/AI stack with year round DHEA, and then well see if you cant ut off TRT for just a few more years.
07-01-2011, 05:49 AM
If t levels are low and someone wanted to do the HRT on the cheap with injectables what else is needed
07-01-2011, 08:34 AM
07-01-2011, 03:15 PM
Agreed, forgot about DHEA, it is a viable option and way affordable. DAA didnt work for me, Im sticking with Creatine, whey and glutamine. I think you understand where Im coming from, OTC is bad enough. What do think is a good AI? What do you think about pulsing a test patch or gel? Would that minimize endogenous shut-down? If Im not already shut-down that is.
07-01-2011, 09:06 PM
Ive heard they are loer than the levels prior to pinning, but thats if you dont use HCG or anything.
07-01-2011, 09:14 PM
Fair enough, but I was actually thinkin of 4 to 6 weeks on DAA inside of 8 weeks on and a long torm commitment to DHEA. Hes only forty eight. That might be enought to jump start hi testicles for a good while,considering that his body might not strive for equilibrium that much because it doesnt neccesarily whant low test. It would be worth a try IMO.
07-02-2011, 01:52 PM
Dhea was the first "designer" available. Low dose cycles are helpful, after awhile there is suppresion and estrogen elevation, but in terms of muscle tone and overall enhancement its a great supplement.
07-02-2011, 08:06 PM
For low energy and fogginess, lack of concentration, getting fat around the midsection, I am taking 5 grams of NP bulk ALCAR, plus DAA, plus Triazole.
I also love love loved Dermacrine (equivalent of 100 mgs of Test per week) but it is discontinued. Oral DHEA is useless. I'd love a good bio available DHEA source but don't know one.
I also would love a good source of Test cyp but hear about all the bunk and tainted sources and this makes me Leary.
07-04-2011, 11:12 PM
07-07-2011, 07:35 PM
I turn 60 next week and have been on Androderm patch 5mg/day for a bit over 6 months now. A world of difference. Was diagnosed with primary testicular failure so bumping up LH was useless. Tried all the test boosters and DAA and no positive results.
Reading some of the previous posts I get the impression that some people are confusing HRT or TRT or supplementation with juicing for muscle gain. That's not what we are primarily on this for. Getting my test levels back to the mid-500's was what I needed to just stay awake in the afternoon.
07-07-2011, 07:39 PM
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